It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[cheese]

If I knew I could beat roulette I wouldn't be here talking about it, I would BE AT THE FREAKING CASINO MAKING MONEY.

I'm afraid being there 15 hours a day isn't what I do. Thats Gizmo's thing, not mine. I hit my goal and leave as soon as possible.

[bombus]

I'm afraid being there 15 hours a day isn't what I do. Thats Gizmo's thing, not mine. I hit my goal and leave as soon as possible.

Can I ask, how many units is your goal?

[VKM]

bombus,

I think you meant ..."How many POSTS is your goal?"  lol


VKM

[cheese]

Can I ask, how many units is your goal?

5-7. And you?

[bombus]

5-7. And you?

I don't normally set a goal.

Most of my play is closed ended. Something akin to tennis, with a game-set-match type structure.

I either win or lose the match. I admit I do stop early sometimes for different reasons.


So for you it's 5-7 units in 40 or so spins playing the EC's...

I'll buy that for a dollar!

[cheese]

So for you it's 5-7 units in 40 or so spins playing the EC's...

No. I usually write down the 15 spins on the marquee, so its more like 25-30 spins.

[bombus]

5-7 units in 30 spins flat betting the EC's.

That can be done time and time again, but not every time.

How often do you miss your goal within the 30 spins?

Would you play on or leave short of your goal?

If you play on, what would be the longest session you have experienced to achieve plus 5-7?

[cheese]

That can be done time and time again, but not every time. If you play on, what would be the longest session you have experienced to achieve plus 5-7?

No, its every time. Its always within an hour, usually much less. Its often 5 in a row. The zeros can slow it down when they gang up. I once saw 15 spins that contained 7 zeros. That was a slow day. But I still did it in an hour. Thats if the dealer is spinning at least 30 per.

[schoenpoetser]

We can`t know what the wheel or dealer is throwing.I am convinced you take account into the results of the last spins for your decision.I do not think you play completely random.

[cheese]

I am convinced you take account into the results of the last spins for your decision.I do not think you play completely random.

Good god. I've only been saying I look at past spins for the past five years. And Iggiv wonders why I don't 'share' more.

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I should add, knowing when not to bet is a big part of a winning method. Just as important as knowing when to bet.

How do you know when not to bet?  If there are no better times to bet than any other times as you say, then like you said, waiting for the "right time" is pointless.  Anything can happen at anytime in a chaotic game, so isn't "waiting" counterintuitive?

[cheese]

If there are no better times to bet than any other times as you say, then like you said, waiting for the "right time" is pointless. 

I have a bet for every situation, but I didn't always. I still had a winning method, but I did have to know when not to bet. Only bet when you have a bet, never bet when you don't. Most people bet anyway and 'hope' they're right and its their downfall.

[Mike]

Only bet when you have a bet, never bet when you don't.

Ah, that clears it up then.

Guys, can't you see that cheese is messing with your heads?  It's just a brainf*ck.

- all spins are independent and random
- use past spins to guide your future bets

These two statements are total contradictory. Cheese is having a giggle at your expense, that's all there is to it.

[cheese]

- all spins are independent and random
- use past spins to guide your future bets

Its you thats stuck. Just because events are random doesn't mean you can't use them. I used this here a few days ago. Clouds are random events. But you can play a game called 'find a face in the clouds' and you will see faces. Is the face there? Nope. But you used random formations to successfully play your game. Now you'll say "Oh, its not the same at all! Roulette is totally different!" No, its not.

[Mike]

You can find patterns in past spins just like you can find faces in clouds, so I don't say that they are different. If your "game" is to find faces or patterns then you've succeeded, but the cloud game IS different from roulette in that with roulette you're not merely seeking to identify a static pattern; the goal is to find patterns which will either continue or change with some reliabiltiy, given some state of history.  In the "faces in clouds" game it would be like seeing Mark Twain in a cloud and then guessing successfully that it will change to Abraham Lincoln. You're claiming that you can do just that (or the analogous situation in roulette).

[Mike]

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