It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[cheese]

Past spins have no obvious relevance/I say over and over that spins are TOTALLY independent.

They mean exactly the same thing, there is nothing to resolve. Past spins are random and independent of each other and on their own, have no meaning.

[Mike]

Next: Sometimes I'm rational and sometimes I'm not.  Sometimes I choose not to be.  (If you knew me better that would make more sense)  I don't believe that to be rational is to be closed-minded, but I also don't place rational thought above other avenues to truth or knowledge, such as intuition.  I never think for something to be true is dependent on my believing it's true.  The truth also doesn't depend on my knowing why it's true.

I agree that intuition is useful as a working hypothesis, but if there's no evidence to back up the intuition then what use is it?
Sometimes it doesn't matter if lots of other people are also irrational, insofar as you depend on their irrationality to feed yourself. Did you know that there are many more astrologers than astronomers in spite of the fact that there is not the slightest evidence for any truth in astrology's claims?

Roulette is a tougher option because winning doesn't depend on other people's irrationality - if your method is based on a false intuition then you lose.

[Mike]

They mean exactly the same thing, there is nothing to resolve. Past spins are random and independent of each other and on their own, have no meaning.

But you include the clause: "unless you find an out of the box way to make them relevant".

If it's possible to make them relevant, then there must be something hidden in the data which, if discovered, proves that spins aren't independent after all, yes?

[cheese]

If it's possible to make them relevant, then there must be something hidden in the data which, if discovered, proves that spins aren't independent after all, yes?

They're only relevant to me and the game I made up, they have no relevance of their own.

[schoenpoetser]

Don`t waist your time.Watch a live demonstration on MIKOGO and perhaps your eyes go open.Next Sat**day I am free and I can do it

[Mike]

They're only relevant to me and the game I made up, they have no relevance of their own.

But if someone else played the game you made up, they would win too, right?

[Mike]

Don`t waist your time.Watch a live demonstration on MIKOGO and perhaps your eyes go open.Next Sat**day I am free and I can do it

Is the purpose of this demonstration just to show us poor pathetic losers that it can be done, or are you going to reveal the way you play? 

[gizmotron]

Is the purpose of this demonstration just to show us poor pathetic losers that it can be done, or are you going to reveal the way you play?  

I guess I can show real play results for EC's only, flat betting.

All practice sessions loaded 12 spins from the marquee first, they don't count as bets.

Results:

22 spins, 10 bets, +5, draw down -0
61 spins, 48 bets, -5, draw down -7, hit a swarm of 4 zeros in 7 spins at 55-61, stopped
21 spins, 9 bets, +5, draw down -0
70 spins, 58 bets, +2, draw down -5, session difficult
38 spins, 26 bets, +5, draw down -0, two zeros
41 spins, 29 bets, +5, draw down -2, five zeros
19 spins, 7 bets, -5, draw down -5, steep downturn
21 spins, 9 bets, +5, draw down -1

[cheese]

But if someone else played the game you made up, they would win too, right?

The spins are never relevant, how could they be. The spins by themselves don't mean anything, you make them mean something.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

The spins are never relevant, who could they be. The spins by themselves don't mean anything, you make them mean something.

So what your saying is, although you are playing your own game, someone else off the street cannot simply step in and play if you tell them what to do.  It is more complex than that.  It follows no rules, and relies on interpreting the results you are seeing based on your own experiences with reading random.

[cheese]

So what your saying is, although you are playing your own game, someone else off the street cannot simply step in and play if you tell them what to do.  It is more complex than that.  It follows no rules, and relies on interpreting the results you are seeing based on your own experiences with reading random.

What do you mean 'tell them what to do'?

"It follows no rules, and relies on interpreting the results you are seeing based on your own experiences with reading random."

Thats why I keep saying its important to realize the spins are unconnected. Everybody says that, but how many really believe it? They'll say all day long that spins are independent, then try and make systems that act like they are connected.

[gizmotron]

So what your saying is, although you are playing your own game, someone else off the street cannot simply step in and play if you tell them what to do.  It is more complex than that.  It follows no rules, and relies on interpreting the results you are seeing based on your own experiences with reading random.

For me it's like a developed form of intuition that is not formed from life experience formed from being around people and people's experiences. It's formed around life experience from playing live and practicing playing Roulette. There is an unwritten syntax based on familiarity. An almost unspoken ability to relate to randomness. When I see spins I see the Grand Canyon, I see Yosemite Valley. I see the grandeur of the game itself. It's always there. It's always alive with activity.

[curious]

For me it's like a developed form of intuition that is not formed from life experience formed from being around people and people's experiences. It's formed around life experience from playing live and practicing playing Roulette. There is an unwritten syntax based on familiarity. An almost unspoken ability to relate to randomness. When I see spins I see the Grand Canyon, I see Yosemite Valley. I see the grandeur of the game itself. It's always there. It's always alive with activity.

Then, with this great insight you should be a millionaire.  So why are you wasting time posting hundreds of posts in an internet forum?

[ll l ll l lll ll]

What do you mean 'tell them what to do'?

"It follows no rules, and relies on interpreting the results you are seeing based on your own experiences with reading random."

Thats why I keep saying its important to realize the spins are unconnected. Everybody says that, but how many really believe it? They'll say all day long that spins are independent, then try and make systems that act like they are connected.

Meaning if you walk up to Joe shmo on the street, you can't simply give him instructions in how to play "your game," and expect him to win.  Your game is more complex than black and white, it follows no rules, follows unconnected spins and is played through experience.

[cheese]

Meaning if you walk up to Joe shmo on the street, you can't simply give him instructions in how to play "your game," and expect him to win. 

Maybe, if he's got about 6 months, and doesn't have a degree in math to screw him up.

[cheese]

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