It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[cheese]

what else is there APART from past spins to use to decide where to bet 

Birthdays and anniversaries, of course. Duh...

[schoenpoetser]

xman1970:Every random sequence have special features.One can use this features for a successful game.So start learning the random row, begin with the theory of Blaise Pascal.

[Kelly]

You can`t use probability nor Pascals triangle to create an edge in roulette. You can actually use the triangle to show that you CAN`T have an edge. Its an old hat and has been turned and twisted 200.000 times in german message boards.

[Nathan Detroit]

Kelly,


Which casino in  BERLIN , Germany would you recommend ? End of October.

Thanks.
N.D.

[VKM]

But what are "the characteristics of randomness" if not the expected outcomes - in other words, the averages?

Every bet on the table has its own characteristics, and you don't need any math to see that, just observation. The math is only a formal description of what actually happens, it's not the enemy as all you guys seem to think, that's absurd.

"The characteristics of randomness" (in any individual roulette session) will most likely NOT BE the "expected outcomes - in other words, the averages" of the mathematical long run.

The fact is, that what happens in the individual roulette session is not the same as what is expected to happen in the mathematical long run.  Most roulette players learn from experience that almost anything can happen in an individual session.  They don't feel like math is the enemy, but they do understand that the long run averages are of no value to them, when it comes to trying to win a session.  (To be fair, there are players who haven't learned that, and blame the math for things not working out for them in their session.  They are the players that expect  what happens in their session to be the same as what is mathematically expected in the long run.)  



VKM

[Kelly]

Nathan, I would say you should go for the one at Potsdam Platz. (Not to be mistaken with Casino Potsdam which is in the outskirts of Berlin) Its a bit more classy than Alexander Platz. Personally I hatet the old blue interior at Alexander, but I think they have changed that lately I haven`t seen it though (after the change). Potsdam Platz is a bit more glamourous, but still maintain a reasonably free dress code.  I went with a tie and jacket the first time which almost made me look like one of the staff :-).
Are you coming ? Its a 600 km drive for me but I might be able to drop by if I know in good time.

[Nathan Detroit]

Kelly,


Thanks for the reply .  At the moment  the  rrip is  in the early planing stages . What  surpises me is the fress code there  .At   that time of the year  I  wear a  Blazer with grey slacks and preppy tie.That`s not too formal. I shall keep you posted.

N.D.

[schoenpoetser]

ND.Perhaps you have time for a short stay in Zandvoort.We have the first legal casino in the Netherlands.Round the clock of17 00 from Monday to Friday you have mostly a private table.

[schoenpoetser]

Kelly:the triangle of BP is a very useful tool to learn the average rows in small sequences.It is not a system or a strategy.For the benefit of the roulette it is better to use the term EXPECTED VALUE.There is no connection between the EV and the triangle of BP.The roulette edge is the same as the EV.The edge or the EV of every system is similar.
In the pokorscene the edge is used for the skill of the pokerplayer.I do not like the word edge

[iggiv]

On their own, they point to nothing. But they can be useful, if you're clever, and never think something is 'due'. There are no good bets in roulette, no better bets, no specific time to bet. All you can do is guess.

I don't completely agree with this statement. As Mike noted, you contradict yourself, Cheese. I agree with it. If u can "guess" with a positive result consistently (as u claim, and as wanna believe u, have no reasons not to), it means that something is "due", and some specific bets are better than others.

[cheese]

it means that something is "due", and some specific bets are better than others.

Nope. I never see a bet and think 'better bet now', they're all the same. They all have the same probability of being correct. For a bet to be 'better' you'd have to change the probability, and how do you do that? I'm not playing the same game you're looking at, I'm playing a game I made up. Remember?

[iggiv]

yes, but no game can coincide with roulette . Even if u put side by side 2 identical tables and identical dealers, or identical slingshot machines, the results will be totally different. So how can some kind of game result  point at right roulette results? impossible

[cheese]

So how can some kind of game result  point at right roulette results?

It doesn't. I never know if its going to be right or wrong. Roulette results are random events, nothing can point to the next spin.

[cheese]

The fact is, that what happens in the individual roulette session is not the same as what is expected to happen in the mathematical long run.  

There is no math for the short term. You can short circuit the long term math by having a method that starts over on every spin. Nothing is due, there are no 'better' betting situations, the expectation for every bet is equal. You have to correctly determine where you are at all times, as far as reading the random is concerned.

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You have to correctly determine where you are at all times, as far as reading the random is concerned.

Everything makes sense except this.  What does this mean exactly?  What do you mean "determine where you are?"

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