Reason to win system ... GF ot NOT GF? This is the question !

[birdhands]

Kenio makes a good point: maybe we should wait for a minimum of 40 or 50 spins with 12 unhit numbers.  It wouldn't be much harder to do.
Kenio, it seems you were playing a progression there in your test.  You should have only moved the 16 to a 2 unit bet, not all 12 numbers.  Or am I confused?

Sam

[birdhands]

I had a really bad  session.
After 34 spins  I got my sector 1-7-8-9-13-16-17-19-22-27-29-33

stake    No.        P/L

x1          24       -12
             4         -24
             10       -36
             26       -48
             26       -60
             16       -36
x2          35       -60
             23       -84
             12       -108
             21       -132
             21       -156
             25       -180
             19       -132
x3          23       -168
             4         -204
             12       -240
             1         -168
x4          36       - 216
             14       -264
             2         -312
-------------------------------  At this point I close our session with negative balance.  But I decided to keep going.
             17        -216
x5           7          -276
              4         -336
             19        -216
x6           4         -288
             19        -144
x7          27        +24  END of session.

The reason why I kept betting after being down -312 units, is that we had our sector selected after only 34 spins, when usually it's around 40 spins.  That means that we didn't have many repeaters during thoe 34 spins.
We either have to find our sector more carefully, or have a bigger bankroll.

The more I look at this the more I realize that it might have been a winning session with Psolaris' rules.  My understanding is that we keep flat betting all the sleepers and apply a positive progression to the sleepers once they hit.
In this session I think we should have dropped the first recorded number and kept spinning in the hopes of getting 12 unhit numbers after 40 or more spins.  In fact, we could just keep dropping earlier numbers until we have a selection of say, 60 numbers with 12 sleepers and then bet with far more confidence.
Everybody should keep in mind that what we are looking at here is a dozen that has slept for 40 spins.  Can you imagine the betting rush that would happen if 1-12 had not hit in 40 spins?  But that is no different from what we are working with here.  I think we need to find out just how long 12 numbers can possibly sleep and then form our betting strategy around that as a worst case scenario.

Sam

[kenio]

.   You should have only moved the 16 to a 2 unit bet, not all 12 numbers.   Or am I confused

You are correct.  I've re-read the first post in this thread again, and found out that I interptetted it wrong.

When 1 number will be HIT (and we not in a new profit) we will bet this number in the next spins with +1 more chip on it. . . so total 2 chips and continue betting 1 chip on the others.


Let me correct my last example

[Psolaras]

yes kenio now you have it right !

Nathan Detroit we don t care about negativityh here...we are just intrested in tweeks,tests and ideas..thanks

I personaly know the maths of roulette...so don t worry about it...I am just trying to do my best...if I will give up NOTHING will happen...if I will continue the maybe SOMTHING can happen....

I think that u are an AP and if u are I respeact that a lot !
I too have played VB with succees about some years ago.....but nowdays -at least in my casinos- there is no wheel with good condictions that alow a margin with VB.And because I do not want to stop playing roulette at all I am just trying to make a solid system.....If I will not find one I will not play for real so don t worry I will not gonna lose any money.

Thanks again for ur consern!

and  NOONE  fall for this  kind of stuff....we are just trying to make solid systems.....
My question and I am sorry for that is WHAT ARE Y.O.U  doing here>??

If you think that you are the sheep dog and we are the sheeps and you are our guardian  then thanks BUT noone vote for you to be our guardian.....so go and search for hours to find a tilted wheel with managable scatter and make ur observations and pray that all the contitions that u observed will continue to folow or that the next dealer will not mess things up because he is spining the wheel with a lot deferent speeds and mess up the scatter...wile we will be here and making systems.... :

I wish all the best!!!!!

[Robeenhuut]

Yeah u got lucky thats all  Probably f u took your loss and started the next day u could be ahead
It doesnt prove anything.  Just take your money or loss and run and hope 4 better tomorrow.
So far it looks good after 3k spins so u cant blame me 4 trying. 
Good day or night 4 everybody.

[Psolaras]

Robeenhuut thanks for feedback but please don t say again the phraze HIT AN RUN  

Simply because its the worst GF ever !

Nothing enables us  to win when we will be again the next time in the casino....
Playing consistently or playing hit and run is EXACLTY the same thing !!!!!!

In time you will realise this too.

[Robeenhuut]

Did some checking.  Won 5 or 6 sessions then bust - more than 300 loss.  It seems that the deeper we get into a session the smaller is the chance to win.  Win to loss ratio is not good in this progression.  Usually f we win early we r
ahead 24 units.  Stop loss level at 300 its 2 big.  So in my opinion its only workable in 3,4 steps.
And like somebody said it earlier increased betting on repeats will speed up disaster.  Hit it as i said early and collect $$$.  One or 2 winning sessions.  Do not go deep.   

[Psolaras]

It seems that the deeper we get into a session the smaller is the chance to win.

I will agree with that.

[Robeenhuut]

Finally we agree on something.  I would only play 3,4 spins in each session.  It may make sense to watch 4 repeats while waiting for sleeping #.  The idea is 2 wait for change in the trend (wait 4 12# to finally appear) and ride it.
The longer in theory we ride it the sooner we loose advantage of betting on it.  But the initial # of events its still 2 small to be sure.  Hopefully i make sense.  Its cruel game.

[Psolaras]

3-4 spins is very little......
anyway.Its an OK system so anyone can make any modifications he likes.

[schoenpoetser]

How do you play your sessions.Is it Dublinbet casino with live roulette or RNG?.Do you use the real sequences from Wiesbadener spielclub?do you use a pseudo RNG? Real money or play money.Please give more information

[kenio]

Here is a correct version  of this system

stake    No.         P/L            correct

x1          24       -12               -12
             4         -24               -24
             10       -36               -36
             26       -48               -48
             26       -60               -60
             16       -36               -36              
x2          35       -60               -49
             23       -84               -62
             12       -108             -75
             21       -132             -88
             21       -156             -101
             25       -180             -114
             19       -132             -92
x3          23       -168             -105
             4         -204             -119
             12       -240             -133
             1         -168             -111
x4          36       - 216            -126
             14       -264             -141
             2         -312             -156
--------------------------------------------------------------
             17        -216            -135
x5           7          -276           -151
              4         -336            -167
             19        -216            -111
x6           4         -288            -128
             19        -144            -37
x7          27        +24             -19
-----------------------------------------------
             24                           -24
             14                           -43
             18                           -62
             36                           -81
             2                             -100
             5                             -119
             6                             -138
             1                             -85
             22                           -69
             18                            -90
             20                           -111
             4                             -132
             3                             -153
             15                           -174
             9                             -159
             19                           -37
             21                           -60
             0                             -83
             26                           -106
             24                           -129
             11                           -152
             25                           -175
             9                             -126
             16                           -78
             10                           -103
             32                           -128
             11                           -153
             30                           -178
             23                           -228
             14                           -253
-------------------------------------------  At this poin I didn't have more data to finish the test.
Lets resume what we got so far.  After 91 spins ( including 34 spins from selecting our sector) we got hit 13 times.
EV for (12 numbers in 91 spins) is. .  29. 51.
Our sector has been hit way below it - 13 times.
SD=4. 46    3xSD=13. 38
EV - 3xSD= 16. 38
We are still below 3xSD.  Shortly our sector starts hitting to get closer to EV or at least 1xSD.
But there is another issue.
Below you can see our sector and how many times particular number has been hit.
1. -2hits; 7. -0hits;  8. -0hits;  9. -2hits;  13. -0hits;   16. -2hits;  17. -1hits;  19. -4hits;  22. -1hit;  27. -1hits;  29. -0hits;  
33. -0hits
As we can see number 19 has been hit 4 times,which is over its EV (EV for 1 number in 91spins =2. 45)
We can atnticipate that this number will not help us that much to get our sector closer to its EV.
When it hits, it helps us a lot as we have 5chips on it.  But when other "0-hit number" hits our profit is short of  those 4 extra chips.
This way we get deeper and deeper with our negative balance, while some numbers in our sector are not cold anymore.
Hope that's make sense.

[Robeenhuut]

It makes a perfect sense.  Win to loss ratio works to our disadvantage.  The deeper we go the smaller chance we have.
I would wait lets say 100 spins to come up with 12 sleepers and start with some progression just betting on these # 2 show up.  Betting on sleepers and hot # at the same time doesnt make sense.

[Psolaras]

I am using the real sequences from Wiesbadener ALWAYS with ANY system.

[schoenpoetser]

Kenio You use EV not in the correct way.E(expected) V(alue) has a mathematical definition.What do you mean with EV. With EV+ a pokerplayer will say he is winning.

[schoenpoetser]

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