Reason to win system ... GF ot NOT GF? This is the question !

[Allin]

Hi Guys,

How you doing.  Hope everybody good.  Lets get down to the business.

I read the article, understand the system very well. I will do the test but just need one clarification.

300$ is stop loss correct?

I will use random.org for the test. 

post the results back by Thursday evening.

Regards

[catalyst]

allin
are you ----? it will be a day of days.
300 units will be your bankroll and stoploss.
thanks
catalyst

[Allin]

thanks catalyst, noted on your point.

[birdhands]

Hey everybody, I started a new thread about an adaptation of this system, called spitting mongoose.  I made it separate out of respect for this thread, but I'd appreciate if you would check it out.  I think it utilizes the best parts of this approach while downplaying its weaknesses.

Sam

[Robeenhuut]

Have u guys tested "possible holy grail" - yeah i know the title  method by turbogenius? Its about playing sleeping numbers after watching 3 cycles of spins.  Somebody posted link on one of the forums.  
hxxp: turbogenius.  webs.  com/possibleholygrail.  htm
After 20k spins (140 sessions) 1200units ahead betting 1unit. 
Looks very constant with upward trend.  Just changed stop loss 2 150 units.

[schoenpoetser]

Robinhood thanks for the pm.I have studied the system of turbogenius.It seems an interested system.The test results are   very promising.Though it has my doubts.Also this system cannot beat the EV.Zero or/and double zero are house traps.The system use numbers ,which have not fallen for a long time.The chance for cold numbers is very large.The length of a test run depends on the possibilities of the Chance.Numbers have a possibility of 37/38 outcomes To take conclusions a test sample of 10K is to small.The EC has a possibility of two outcomes and then  is a test sample of 250 in my opinion enough

Second the system is only suitable for very big samples.After a  three hour visit to the casino you cannot continue your sample the next day.

My final conclusion is,this system seems good but it has no practice value

[birdhands]

Have u guys tested "possible holy grail" - yeah I know the title  method by turbogenius? Its about playing sleeping numbers after watching 3 cycles of spins.  Somebody posted link on one of the forums.  
hxxp: turbogenius.  webs.  com/possibleholygrail.  htm
After 20k spins (140 sessions) 1200units ahead betting 1unit. 
Looks very constant with upward trend.  Just changed stop loss 2 150 units.

Looks very interesting.  So you've decided to play it with a stop loss?Did you see the drawdowns can go over 1000 units?  That's a pretty big bankroll if no stop loss.  But then again, without the stop loss will the system hold up?

Sam

[jarabo002]

All this is very interesting.

Can anyone get the file dgt of this system for Roulette Xtreme?


Thanks

[Jeromin]

Jeromin we can t rely only on sleepers or only on repeaters.we have to use both.

Ideas and intuitions are great but need to be followed up with testing. We would advance greatly if all definitive statements in this forum were backed up with extensive testing.

I did a quick test using part of my 400 sessions of 49 spins each, with Kon-Fu-Sed's software,( that no one here seems interested in, even though it allows to easily test many sleeper/repeats systems ) and it seems ( pending further testing ) that starting from spin 18, betting on the sleepers that wake up to repeat, and only on them, yields a win quickly enough. It has the advantage over covering 12 sleepers  ( a system I'm testing independently, albeit with 13 sleepers ) that one is only betting on 1, 2,3, up to about 5 numbers at a time, allowing for long progressions.

I will probably go for skipping the first few spins, as the wins don't often come ( so far ) immediately after the numbers wake up and for a conservative stop loss, since it does not seem necessary to wait too long and progressions, as we know, are deceptive.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

And here's a preliminary result. 50 sessions, covering 2450 spins.

number of spins required till a hit:

18;7;15;15;12;11;8;11;16;4;11;4;5;5;15;17;9;7;11;7;10;7;11;12;8;14;9;2;7;17;20;
1;6;6;8;12;7;13;12;17;12;15;7;5;4;1;4;17;8;7.

Not once did it go over the set of 49 spins and only one has it reached 20 spins. Of course another factor is the number of sleepers that wake up before hitting. The more wake up the more bets need to be placed and as soon as bets need to be double, tripling comes soon after. 22% go over 12 spins, about 1 in 5. Maybe a stop loss should be reached before having to double.

Jeromin

[birdhands]

Thanks for your testing, Jeromin.  I'm glad we have a coder here.

"starting from spin 18, betting on the sleepers that wake up to repeat, and only on them"

Do you mean tracking 18 spins, then betting on each sleeper after it wakes?

Sam

PS are you interested in coding turbogenius' idea?

[birdhands]

400 sessions x 49 spins= 19,600 spins  Not bad.
So Jeromin, let me make sure I have this right:

5
36
23
14
5
30
11
24
7
31
22
24
11
1
6
17
29
30 18th spin (repeat)
3  sleeper, now bet 1 unit on 3
17
35 sleeper, now betting 1 unit on 3, 35
36
22
9  sleeper, now betting 1 unit on 3, 35, 9
3  hit +25
start over, etc, etc...

is this right?

Sam

[Jeromin]

Thanks for your testing, Jeromin.  I'm glad we have a coder here.

"starting from spin 18, betting on the sleepers that wake up to repeat, and only on them"

Do you mean tracking 18 spins, then betting on each sleeper after it wakes?

Sam

PS are you interested in coding turbogenius' idea?

I am afraid I am not a coder. I copy sets of 49 spins from Wiesbaden or DB files ( 49 being close to the maximum 50 spins the software can handle, and fits neatly into one page by resizing the font to 13 ), paste them into Kon-Fu-Sed's software, found here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=273

then paste the results into a notepad file. Slow and laborious. I get 30/50 sessions in one go when I'm in the mood, my tolerance of repetitive tasks being limited.
The result looks something like this:

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll
-  -      37  0  0  0  0                                                                    0
1 35      36  1           
2 13      35  2           
3  3      34  3           
4  7      33  4           
5 11      32  5           
6  1      31  6           
7 10      30  7           
8  9      29  8           
9 11      29  7  1  1     
10 35      29  6  2  2     
11 24      28  7  2  2     
12 12      27  8  2  2     
13  6      26  9  2  2     
14 12      26  8  3  3     
15 21      25  9  3  3     
16 10      25  8  4  4     
17 25      24  9  4  4     
18 19      23 10  4  4     
19  0      22 11  4  4     
20  4      21 12  4  4     
21  5      20 13  4  4     
22 22      19 14  4  4     
23 29      18 15  4  4     
24 21      18 14  5  5     
25 36      17 15  5  5     
26  0      17 14  6  6     
27 13      17 13  7  7     
28 24      17 12  8  8     
29  3      17 11  9  9     
30  0      17 11  9  8  1 
31 18      16 12  9  8  1 
32  8      15 13  9  8  1 
33 11      15 13  9  7  2 
34 12      15 13  9  6  3 
35  5      15 12 10  7  3 
36  3      15 12 10  6  4 
37  5      15 12 10  5  5  =2: 10 13 21 24 35                                         5     -5
38  9 L    15 11 11  6  5  =1:  1  4  6  7  8 18 19 22 25 29 36                      11    -16
39 19 W    15 10 12  7  5                                                                  +20
40 15      14 11 12  7  5 
41 36      14 10 13  8  5  =0:  2 14 16 17 20 23 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 34             14     +6
42 15 L    14  9 14  9  5  =1:  1  4  6  7  8 18 22 25 29                             9     -3
43  0 L    14  9 14  9  5  =0:  2 14 16 17 20 23 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 34             14    -17
44  4 L    14  8 15 10  5                                                                  -17
45 17      13  9 15 10  5 
46  8      13  8 16 11  5 
47  5      13  8 16 11  5 
48 29      13  7 17 12  5  =0:  2 14 16 20 23 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 34                13    -30
49  0 L    13  7 17 12  5  =0:  2 14 16 20 23 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 34                13    -43

With the columns nice and straigt. I attach a copy of what it should look like. In this example the number 36 wakes up on spin 25 and repeats on spin 41. Since we start betting from spin 24, that's a total of 18 spins. We add the new repeaters as they come. At some stage we have to double because the total no. of units risked goes over 36. That's the tricky part because once you double, you double again soon. Do we stop at some stage, or do we play with very large bankroll and just wait for a hit? It will depend on what the longest hit over several hundred sessions is, our funds and whether we can find a profitable stop loss point. Eg, stop after reaching 36 units ( ie, just before having to double ) or whatever.
An actual coder would be able to test all this, and something I cannot test with this software, but which is promising: Betting only with 12 or even less ( 10, 9, 8...) sleepers left.

Hope that answers all the questions.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

400 sessions x 49 spins= 19,600 spins  Not bad.
So Jeromin, let me make sure I have this right:

5
36
23
14
5
30
11
24
7
31
22
24
11
1
6
17
29
30 18th spin (repeat)
3  sleeper, now bet 1 unit on 3
17
35 sleeper, now betting 1 unit on 3, 35
36
22
9  sleeper, now betting 1 unit on 3, 35, 9
3  hit +25
start over, etc, etc...

is this right?

Sam

You don't wait for the 18th spin, but for the moment you have 18 sleepers left, which will be normally after 20 some spins. You bet on the number that hit when you hit 18 sleepers, and so on. Otherwise the betting, one unit on each till a win, is correct.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

I did say, starting from spin 18, rather than, starting from 18 sleepers left. My mistake.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

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