Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems

[audionut]

I LOVE your above example EXCEPT for risking over $1000 that you didn't need to risk! 

Every time you make the no 4 (or whatever number has not come up the longest) you are laying/risking TWICE the amount you want to win. 

Lets just take your first "game" example. . .  ok. . .  100 on don't pass. . . .  $200 on no 4. . .  7 hits and you break even. . .  and you had $300 total on the line. . .  ($100 extra on the hedge bet that you DIDN'T need to risk)

What happens if the 4 hits (which CAN and WILL happen)? You LOSE a net of $100.  WHY RISK IT?

Using the Patrick. . .  just put $50 on PASS and $50 on Don't Pass. . .  7 hits, break even, only $100 total on line. .  AND I DID'NT RISK A CENT!!!  If they have "triple" odds, my first bet could be $25/$25. . . .  JUST $50 TOTAL!

If 4 hits, I place my NO RISK D/C bet (by hedging the same or less amount in free odds) and see what happens.

2nd game. . .  again, another $300 using Ric. . .  You get lucky again and take down your $200 hedge, place the 6 for another hedge. .  Good win (risked $100 with no need, but you still won)

I, however, place $50 PL and $50 DP line (NO MONEY RISKED); six is the point, I put $96 FREE odds  on my PL bet and $100 on DC. . . .  I also win BUT WITH NET NO MONEY RISKED!! 

3rd game. .  starts to get worse for YOU.   We both lose our $100 DP (you) or DC (Me).  You ALSO risked an extra $100 on your no 4 hedge, but got lucky cause it didn't hit.  BUT WHY EVEN RISK IT?

4th game. . . Now your up to $600 total dollars, I'm at $200 total for the initial bet (actually could be at $100 with triple odds).   You choose to risk an ADDITIONAL $200 on your no 4 hedge bet at come out (why do you do this?), I choose to RISK NOTHING because my bets even out.  8 is the point, I hedge my DC with the free odds and MAKE THE SAME PROFIT YOU DO WITH NO I REPEAT NO
RISK!!!

[audionut]

I can go on and on thru your example. . . .  I can not only MEET every one of your bets from a profit standpoint, but I will BEAT you in the long run BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR HEDGE BET AT SOME TIME !!!

I will NEVER LOSE DOLLARS on my hedge bets!!!!  WHY WOULD I WANT TO???

I work to hard for my money to put it at risk the way you are doing. . . .

YOUR SYSTEM IS TERRIFIC!!! AND IT DOES WORK FOR YOU!!! I just think I'm showing you a way to IMPROVE it. . . .

It's your money man!   DON'T THROW IT AWAY!!!

[W7]

Yo A/N.....

   Ok ....I will completely re-run page #10....play #6... using the .." PATRICK"  this evening and compare outcomes.

I see your point on the risk ...vs...rewards.

   I need to find out why JP says ....." For the  larger Bankrolled Player, use the... Ric. "   
..........hummmmm ?

Tks  Audionut.............

Jim

[W7]

Yo Earth-Bounds............

  A-Nut ------ I had to forage awhile but I found why John Patrick, personally, DOES-NOT play... " THE PATRICK. "

   A detailed 8-page rant can be found by using  JP's  search-engine and bringing up the  thread : " No Patrick allowed in

Indian Casino."

  John Patrick posts----

   " Wayne......You should play... " the  PATRICK " ... but if your bankroll can handle it....go with  " RICHOCHET....because....

 the   Casino's can't  pick it up and it is a.... " BETTER  PLAY "  .....because you..."  NEVER "... have to have the 6 or 8 as the protecting number using the   RICHOCHET.     The  " PATRICK  " does let the 6 and 8 become the protector.........

   Play   " the  RICHOCHET "   if  you can bring $150.00 to the craps table......

    I have said this before :

               " IF EVERY DO-NOT PASS  BETTOR  PLAYED THE RICHOCHET , FOR ONE MONTH, THE

  CASINO'S WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE CRAPS-TABLE BETTING RULES...... "

      I could post  many more  reasons why " the RICOCHET "   is better than  " the PATRICK.  "    

    Many of the reasons can be found  in the above 9-page thread.    I do not like  " the PATRICK "    and have never played

it after  back-testing it.

       I  too  found   NOT  being able to... " hedge-out "...  the 6 or 8 as the .... " Protector Point " .... REALLY did suck  !
 
    Jim

[audionut]

Like I said before, it's your money, Jim.

I have no idea what you mean by not being able to hedge out the 6 or 8. . .  you simply make your free odds bet when that number comes up as the point, OR place the numbers like you do now!! LOL. . .

It's too bad your choosing the Ric just because of an opinion taken out of context of the way your playing it rather then the math that is staring you in the face. . .  The math DOES NOT LIE, and for those smart enough to understand it, the choice is easy!@!!  but thats ok, math was not my strong suit either. . . !!

Anyway, keep on truckin'!!!

I wish you the best and will continue to enjoy your posts. . .

[W7]

Audio-Nut, All............

   I  am  going to chart-out  the last 2 plays of my last  night's  Ca.  Card-Craps session, on Aug. 11th, at  Harraha's Ricon Indian Casino,  in Northern San Diego County.

     This is the  best way to show the " merits " of the Ricochet-Craps-System  vs. the Patrick-Craps-System.  


  The Outcomes of the green-and-red dice being mated to the green-and-red card numbers, that were run through dual electric-auto-shufflers  ( one green and  one red shuffler.... ) next to the sitting boxman,  were :

A]...DP = 3................
B]...PL  = 41010394...
C]...PL  = 5125.....
D]...PL =  8496268....
E]...DP =  107.........
F]...DP =  67....
G].. DP = 57......
H]...PL =  11.........
I]... PL =  866655412948......
J]... DP =  628867.......
K]...DP =  47........................
......End Of 1st  Harraha's Ricon Card-Craps Session.
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 Above  Card Craps numbers using the.... "PATRICK SYSTEM" :

B]...PL
C]...PL
D]...PL
E]...DP ...Above 3 PL wins now "Capped " by this DP win... Before next C/O roll put  $200.00 in the DP box and, at the same time,  put $200.00 in the PL box......
  Wait for the " POINT " to be rolled......  
  The " 6 "  is rolled as the point ....[F]
   Put $200.00 next to the DP bet as ..." FREE ODDS."
   At the same time, put $200.00 in the DC box and then  wait for the next roll.  
   The next roll brings-back the point of "6. " [F] and we "  push "  our $ 200.00 DP bet with our $200.00 PL bet...but...
 we were 'unable " to hedge-out the point of 6.  
We  'LOSE'   our  'free odds " bet of -$200.00.
  Our $200.00 DC bet becomes a "6"  and it travels behind the  " 6 " box for upcoming roll resolution.
  The Patrick has left us down  - $200.00  on this ...."  PATRICK PLAY."
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Above Card Craps numbers using the ..."RICHOCHET SYSTEM " :

B]...PL
C]...PL
D]...PL
E]...DP .....Above three PL wins now... " Capped " by [E] = 107.   Quickly scanning back, the just-recorded numbers, for the LONGEST ..."non-appearing" , 4,5,9 or 10 ...........

9 appeared  7 rolls ago...
4 appeared  8 rolls ago...
5 appeared  10 rolls ago....
10 appeared 16 rolls ago....so... "10" is our 100% hedge-number to take-away the  " C/O 7"  from the Casino.
We  now say ...."Laying the 10 for 400.00" .... and at the same time, we put $200.00 in the DP box and wait for the point to be rolled next.....
 The  "6" is rolled,  as the point.
 We " take down " our $400.00  DP  protection...." LAY-BET" ... against the C/O 7 knocking-off our C/O DP box bet.
Our $200.00 DP  bet... now ...travels behind the "6."
I will.. 100% HEDGE-OUT... the point of "6"  because the 6 and 8 points come-back and make their  points to often.

I  now ..." PLACE-BET "..... the point of "6" for +$192.00.    I wait for the next roll.......

The six  " comes back"   as the point and I lose my DP  bet of $200.00....but.... I  make +$232.00 on my place-bet of +$192.00  for a NET  win of .... $32.00 ! ....with " No Risk" !!!    

 I am playing this way now.  It is JP's idea and he says he does the same by hedging-out the  6 and 8 pts.

     IT is the safest bet on the craps table.  When  the 6/ 8 points  are made....IT PAYS +16% !  

The Patrick lost -$200.00.  
The Richochet  made +$32.00.  

That is a $232.00 swing. and  is the reason the " Ricochet "  is the better-bet according to their creator...John Patrick.

  I made this exact-type play just before I drove the 350 miles home from Harraha's  Ricon on the 11th of this Month.

  I had a $1,200.00 hedge-bet as ...." No 4 "    and it worked great !  

Thoughts ?
Jim

[mogul397]

Is anyone still here?

Or playing this method?

[mogul397]

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