UPDATED : The 4/10 Craps System ...ZUMMA... Back-Tested for 5,000 Rolls

[W7]

Yo.............

   I have modified the 4/10 Craps System from  the originally posted version and used the new version, last week,  at Harraha's Ricon Indian Casino,  in San Diego, County.

   In the Zumma Craps System testing book  ( 35,000 real recorded  back-to-back rolls from the GN and the Four Queens in DT Vegas  )  the first  5,000 rolls  had NO LOSING PLAYS  !!!   

     I  am now testing Trace Cooper's  "CRAPS SYSTEM " ( I paid $100.00 for his manual ) against M.  Silverthorne's  computer generated....." NEURAL GAMING SYSTEM. "  hummmmmm ?   

     The 4/10 new system went to its final-step, a $1,200.00 bet, only once at  HARRAHA'S  RICON last week.  When I made that bet,  the  pit boss kid went around the table to his computer and logged my bet into his computer....so.......

            When i got home,  a message from a  Harraha's  LV Casino host said he would comp-book me into any Harraha's property..............?     

    I  wish to say I AM SORRY  if I offended any reader of my posts.   That NEVER entered my mind that i could be offending anyone.   

    I  ONLY WANT THE VERY-BEST FOR  ANYONE ON THIS BOARD, WHO READS MY POSTS.

Respectfully,

James Dodd

[Nathan Detroit]

Jim,

Eventhough I am not a craps player I do follow all your posts . .

Your trip reports are of great value  for some  of us players who need to travel  quite a distance to a  gambling location  and  how  to  obtain and make use of those  comps given  by the casinos.

Those  comps certainly do add to the bottom line.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[W7]

Nathan, All.............

 Nathan you are soooo right about the comps.  

   Harraha's  knows how to chum us Human-Primates attraction to  bright-and-shinny trinkets !  

   i will be flying on their chartered jet,  next Sunday, for  the  Monthly trip to the Laughlin, Nv. property.

   Man O' Man.... I hear the Colorado River calling me even as I type this.  What a powerful River !  

    It kills one person a day, at laughlin,  during the Summer Months because the Davis Dam is just upstream and it releases the river water  through massive  petc**ks on the bottom of the dam.

     That  gives the River Super-undertow pressures  as it passes the 8  River-edged Casinos.  Most have River beaches.

     Soooo...on almost every Monthly trip,  I will be gaming and suddenly I hear the wap-wap-wap of the, incoming from

Vegas,  Search and Rescue  chopper.   I pause because I know what they are looking for....    

      Bombus , I am locked-out  of the below  thread ?  

      It says : "  FORBIDDEN :  YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO AXCESS/CASINO-DICE-GAMES/USING THE-410-THE-77-CRAPS-SYSTEM(W/RICHOCHET)-AND-THE--2-3-11AND-12-CRAPS-SYSTEM/ ON THIS SERVER.

  What is up with that ?  

TKS...............

Jim

[bombus]

Hi W7,

Looks like we're all locked out of that thread.

Must be a gremlin attack!

I'll get Steve to look into it when he returns from weekend detention.

Keep up the cool posts.

Cheers.

[W7]

Yo Kindred White-Lights ........

  I am still smarting from that damn cold I picked up at Harraha's in Northern  San Diego ( Ricon ) .  I  went to the Rx at Wal Mart yesterday and the head Rx person said  here ...take this....

  It was Coricidin HBP Cough and Cold Tablets....+$6.65...... he left and I scanned for active ingred. and then  I looked on the shelf for  like generic products.  

        I found a like product right next to the Coricidin called ... " Cough and Cold BP "....Compare to the active ingredients  in " Coricidin HBP Cough an Cold. "  It was +$1.88 !

   Jessssss  ...you think  Wal Mart was interested in selling me the cheaper, just as good,  off-brand or the massive profit- generating name brand ?  

      Anyway, I went to Fresno, Ca.   yesterday and I ran into an older couple that goes on almost all the Harraha's monthly, Laughlin flights.  This is the 3rd time I have run into them in Fresno.  I live 40 miles from Fresno and we keep bumping into each other .....hummm ....unseen hands.... ?

   They said they were not going on the Aug. 28th flight.   They were taking this morning's (Sunday ) flight on a tour package from Allegiant Air Lines to the 3 Super Casino's  ( Rainbow,Peppermill & Montego Bay ) located on the Utah-Nevada Border, in Wendover, Nevada.

  He told me they have $3.00 BJ that pays true 1 1/2 on BJ's....not the 6/5 that Harraha's Laughlan pays.

    They go back and forth between the Wendover Nevada junket flight and the Harraha's Laughlan, Nevada ....junket flights.   The Wendover junket flight web site is at :

nolinks.wendoverfun.com

   They fly as far North as Fort McMurry,Edmonton and Calgary, Canada. The flights go East as far as Green Bay, Wis. and as far South as Dallas,San Antonio, Austin and... way South.... to Harlingen, Texas.    The flights go Mid-America as far East as Little Rock,Ark.

  I  finished back-testing the  " NEW " 4/10 system last night using the  craps table roll numbers from my last several monthly flights to Laughlan, Nevada.

   Wow !    is this way of ..." Simple System " ...play going to be easy or what ?   The trouble with Trace Cooper's system is it's  too complicated....ie....different rules for each of the sets of three bets.

   I have the compressed results for the new "  4/10  SUPER-SIMPLE SUPER-SYSTEM "  and I will post  the nuts and bolts after I do some outside yard work before the damn Sun eats me alive, this AM.  

 So,  I have ..." RATS TO KILL AND CATFISH TO FRY "  this Morning.....  

Jim




   

[W7]

Yo...Carbon-Based Units,

  I  was just watching video's from a commune, in Vegas, called : " ATLAS CITY PROJECT.COM " ....hummmm?

  I know in the Middle Ages we Humans lived in mostly small villages, as a unit. I was thinking about the gangs and what attracts  males to join a gang ?

   It seems the break-down of the family is the main cause of wanting to join  and belong to ...a gang....ie: ...searching for direction i?   A commune could give that missing direction ?  

  Anyway, i am slowly recovering from my Summer cold I picked-up at Harraha's Ricon.

I am NOT totally up to speed yet.

    So......hear I sit.... picking the matter out of the crown that  SAMS DENTAL,COM....on 9th Street, 4 blocks from the new Costco, just over the Border, in Tijuana, Mexico.... installed a few weeks ago.

   I have got to go back and get this fixed.    The last time I was in TJ  my 14-year-old-looking-female-dentist  at Sams Dental  drove me to the   walk-across  line at the Border.

    I got in line with 300 others waiting to cross into the US.     I was lined up  and a combat dressed US Border Agent went by me with his German dog. His damn dog smelled my  privates for hidden drugs.   The dog  did that to the whole line !  

    Presto !.... two US Border Customs Agents, in combat-costumes  complete with Army boots, suddenly were at my face.  The head  Agent said :   " We want to see a photo ID......RIGHT NOW ! "

    I worked for Ca. Law Enforcement for 33 years, I retired in 2004, and I thought.." These two need to Chill-Out ! "

 
   So..... I had a  Jack-In-The -Box debit card in my right pocket.    It has  "Jack"  sitting in a beach chair with his massive foam head somewhat hidden  by his straw hat as he is toasting a mixed drink.    

   I took it out of my pocket, upside down,  and  I handed it the the lead Agent as my photo ID.

    He flipped it over and they both started stress-relief  laughing that reminded me of a skit from Reno 911 !  

       They were both  bent over and deep belly laughing...so hard....I  THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO FALL OVER ON THE SIDEWALK  !  

  They finally caught themselfs and stood up.   The head Agent ( The one with the mouth )  pointed his finger at me and said :

" For what you just did ! .....GO.... TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE ! "  

 When I got home, I  e-mailed a comment to the  Jack In The Box  Corperate offices, in San Diego, Ca.,  thanking  "Jack " for helping me get across the US-Tijuana Border !  

  I do not think they got it ?    

   I am going to post how I will be playing craps next week in Laughlin, Nevada.   I am going back to my tried and true system that I have fallen  back on the last trip to  Harraha's Ricon Indian Casino and 17 miles up Paula Valley, to the  Cooler-than-Cold-Water-on-a-Water-Well-Driller's-Bare-Butt.....  Paula Indian Casino.  

  Paula Indian Casino  looks like it belongs in the South of France, on the Med. Sea !  

  I will be posting my real $$$$ generating recorded craps numbers that allowed me to cash-in $1,755.00 at the Ricon and $1,600.00  at the Paula Casino  !  

   It is a simple 5-step neg.  progression with start and stop-betting  rules.  I use 5,8,13,21,35,50,75 and $100.00 as my starting 8-step progression.  I wait for it to give me 5 to 6 back-to-back losses and then move up into a " recovery " game at 3x my starting bet size ( 5.00 goes to a 15.00 Recovery-of-the-lost-loot game ).

   I like a $15.00 base-betting unit game.....15,25,40,65,105,150,175 and 300.00.  

 The recovery game for it is a 3x ..$50.00 base-unit-betting game : ....50,80,130,210,325,525,850.

  The rules are simple :

A winning,complete-game is 20 base-betting-units.

When we lose a bet we go up one rung on the progression scale.
When we win a bet, we go down one-rung  on the progression ladder.
When we win 2 out of the last 3 bets, we go down 2-steps on the progression ladder...win the next bet, we go down 2 more rungs on the progression ladder....until we obtain our 20-unit win !  

  I will be using the 4/10 System ( Out of Steve Nelli's   $3,000.00 craps manual ) but I will be going to a min. bet when I have 3 back-to-back wins  by lay-betting the points of 4 or 10.   I wait for a 4/10 point "  LOSS " ...at that time.

  I will be doubling-up after each 4/10 ....seven-out win !  

 Well, my cold is callinfg me to bed......

END PART #1 :
Party On..............
Jim
 

[Nathan Detroit]

Jim,

Is Harrahs  also cooling down the casino to 65 F ? We have the same problem here  in the East. The casinos in Atlantic City are way too cold   and if the central air is  connected to  the  rooms  then  you can`t get warmed up in bed either.  Even in Upstate New York the Indian casino is  too cold as mentioned by a friend of mine  who was there last Sat**day. While gambling one can wear always a jacket to be  comfortable .Outside temp 95 F and inside a casino 65 F . What a  difference.  

Are they trying to numb  our brain ?

Instead of going to a casino resort hotel I rather stay  at a motel  a few miles  outside ACY which I dis   beginning of August.There I can regulate the  temperature. The noise  of the   unit within the room is  a slight drawback but it sure beats  being frozen stiff.

Good  TR again.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

[W7]

Yo... Kindred-Earthbound..."Kill it and Eat it ".... Primates  

         Well, I finally think I am going to recover from the head-cold I picked up at Harraha's Ricon, in Northern San Diego on Aug. 10th.

 Summer colds really  SUCK  !    

       I leave the Fresno Airport in 30 hours on the  Harraha's Junket Jet for the Aug. 4-day, totally comped,  trip.    After 19 Monthly trips...I still do not feel  " content "   about someone paying 100% of my costs, for these trips.  

 Well, I am expanding my dog kennels this morning and including a Super-SS fan, light and TV for my  4 White Standard Poodles .

  Man O' Man do they enjoy watching TV !          It is great !... just watching them watch TV.

  Being sick....I have been very busy back-testing real recorded craps numbers from the Mad Professor's thread :...."Testing.... testing...testing. "

  He is  using the DI' rolls from  :

       Heavy...LagunaFlats...Elephanttracks..Standford Wong..CharlieG...AllyOpps...Scout...DoSA..7TimesaChanp...The Natural..Nune...TN-Nighthawk...PappyVanWinkle...ShootItAll...BobbyBones...CrimsonTide, and many,many more....

  MP  says the roll file is over 10,000 rolls long.   I have his web-posted file  clip-boarded and I have back-tested the file through 117 shooters using my recently improved  ..."3+CAPPING CRAPS SYSTEM. "

        I  hooked  the ... 3+CAPPING SYSTEM...  up with John Patrick's Richochet System and I also 100% hedge-out the   points of 6 and 8 ( place-betting  against my DP box bet )  when they manifest as the points.

      These roll files are NOT common run-of-the-mill  craps outcomes.  They are.." jaded to win"... by setting the dice to come-up in a set pattern.

      I am blown-away by how well my " new improved " craps betting System steps-over  MP's roll file !  

   In 117 craps shooters....I HAVE NOT HAD ONE LOSS !  

  Sure......I have to wait for the 3+CAPPING SYSTEM....to set up but that happens every few minutes.  I was playing it at the card craps table at the Paula Indian Casino just East of Oceanside, Ca.  on my last trip to the Paula Casino.

   I was playing card craps from Stickman Left... #1.   The table was ice cold and I was cleaning-up playing my 3+CAPPING SYSTEM hooked into JP's ...most excellent ... ".RICHOCHET SYSTEM."

  The player to my left caught-on that I was playing the DP side and he said .. " You are playing the DP side....I AM NOT GOING TO PLAY NEXT TO A DO NOT PASS PLAYER !  "

       So..he picked up his chips and left the table in a huff !  
TRANSLATION :    " I have lost my ass playing the PL side .....so.....I am out of here ! "

   A very nasty-spirited  old duffer at the right end of the table was also losing...alot....many,many, many  Franklin's.  He tuned mean-spirited and looked right at me and  said .... " You GD idiot, you need to fuc*ing go home ! "

   I turned to him and  said : " You need to shut your GD mouth or I will come over there and rip your heart out, with my bare hands,  and stuff it down you GD windpipe ! "  ( A bad- Karma idea ).

  The young boxman-girl said : " He was not talking to you.   He  was talking to Mike... the stickman kid,  to your right."

jesssssssssssss ! ..... I was jacked-up ! ...so... I colored up $1,765.00 and drove out of that Canyon the  7 miles to the I-15.

   I was going to stop 12 miles North,  at Temecula, Ca.,  at the Pachanga (sp)  Indian  Casino  ( The biggest Indian Casino in Ca. ) and play card craps....but..... I let that old  man get to me at the Paula.......bad...bad...bad... idea.

  Thomas, a 6 foot 4 inch  Indian  pit boss,  at the Pachanga Casino,  used to work here at the Palace Indian Casino, near my house.     He wanted me to help him rob the Casino....and.... he was dead serious !  

    He laid out his plan at a local bar and it made me get chills and goosebumps all over my body.

     He had the hair on the back of my neck standing up ! ( a very detailed plan ) .  

      He said we could get.... $1,300,000.00  at 5:00AM in the morning.    

    Well... I nixed his idea because my Soul reminded me of my most recent life in Folsom Prison....yeah....I did that kind of crap in that life...but.... I  learned from it.... NO-NO-NO ....not a good idea !  

Well....I am rambling ...so.... off to fix the dog pen.  

Party On.................
Jim

[W7]

Yo,  Fellow Earth-beings.....

  Well,  back to packing for tonight's 450 mile Harraha's Junket  flight to Bullhead City, Arizona. It is sooooo Hot here !  It was

102 degrees Sat.  I  have been searching for a small place, in Las Vegas,  on Realtor.com.    I am also considering the

Oceanside, Ca. area  and areas on the Coast all the way down to Imperial Beach, Ca. hummmmmmm ?


  Anyway, I just completed running  the Mad Professor's  craps-file through  403 of the best Craps-shooters, on Earth

with  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  Loses !  

      Back-testing  gives the mental-courage to make the big bets when they are needed in real Casino play.

Often, I will be at a real Craps table and I will say to myself..... "hummmmmm ....this play set-up is just like the one in

practice, last night. "

    When the kid from Arizona asked me, at the roulette wheel, next to the cash cage, at the Monte Carlo Casino, on the  

Vegas Strip... " Are you sure your Roulette System works ?  "

 I did not have a  long real-Casino play history using it.  I only had  my 5,000 back-testing computer-generated spins to fall back on and give the kid an answer............

" My computer-Roulette-play says it works. "  Indeed  IT DID WORK  !  

The three of us took $1,000's of dollars  off the Casino's six  Roulette wheels that night  

  As in computer play, we waited for 4 same-way outcomes to occur ( back-to-back wins )   and  then we  used a simple double-up 5-step progression to generate  our wins.    

    However,  I will  NEVER  play Roulette or Baccarat again using my improved ... " 3+CAPPING SYSTEM " because Craps,

the way I play it now, using  John Patrick's " Awesome and  most Excellent "  Richochet-Hedging-Craps-System  and 100%

hedging-out the point of 6 and 8 points,  by using Place-Betting,  biases Craps outcomes ..." Tilt "  .... in favor of ... Player

WINS !

 The last back-tested MP file play, this morning, was a DP  qualifying play.   When a DP play sets-up I drop my 5-step progression 400% to : .....50,100,200,400,800.

         I do this because playing a DP string does NOT have the protection that playing the PL string has.  It does this  by  using the Richochet System with the 6-8  Place-bet hedging.

The  Player roll numbers  were.........
Player # 406 : :

627
10887
51187
11..... Above  3-same-way  outcomes "CAPPED " by this opposite PL outcome. Betting  1st step next =$50.00 on PL...
7 = ..........+$50.00

We win our $50.00  player-biased-bet and we wait for the next  string of a min. of 3 same-way outcomes, to set-up again.....
=========================================================================
Player # 398's Craps  roll Numbers :  

5105
88
11
431296897.....Above PL string.... "CAPPED "  by this DP win.

We now scan-back to get the longest  " non-appearing "  ...4,5,9 or 10  craps number to use as our  " RICOCHET "  100% hedge-protection against the C/O 7 from "  killing-off "  our DP box bet.....................

9....has not appeared in 1 roll....
4....has not appeared in 8 rolls .....
5 ....has not appeared in 12 rolls.....
10....has not appeared in 13 rolls.....

   We will use the " 10 " as our Ric. hedge lay bet next. We  Lay bet +$400.00  on " No 10 " .... and at the same time ... we put $200.00  in the DP box.

The point comes up a  "9."  

We take-down our $400.00 lay-bet and wait for the point of 9's outcome =

94117 =  + $ 200.00

    Therefore, we win our DP box-bet of $200.00 !
  Play over..... We wait  for the  next..." 3+CAPPING " betting-situation to set-up.............

Thoughts ?
Jim

     

[kevster]

W7,

The first post of this thread you mentioned Silverthorne's "Neural Gaming System"-please let me know what you think of his craps system playing the neural strategy.

Also, you said something about the Mad Professor's thread :...."Testing.... testing...testing"-could you possible direct me to that? 

Thanks!

[W7]

Kevster, All.........

  The ... " TESTING,TESTING, TESTING " thread can be found at .. " THE DICE INSTITUTE.COM. "  It is by " MP. "

   I use  the NEURAL BETTING SYSTEM  after my " 3+CAPPING SYSTEM " says to bet into the NEURAL's  8-step progression.

   It works good on craps.  I am not up on Silverthorne's  Crap System ?

Jim

[kevster]

Jim,

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.  Thanks for your posts, too - very interesting and informative.  I enjoy reading about your gambling trips and spiritual experiences.

I'll head over to The Dice Institute and check that stuff out.

Concerning Silverthorne's Neural strategy, I was curious if you've ever tried his bet placement in craps along with the actual Neural progression.  His first 5 bets are on the DP, then he switches to the PL and back and forth with specific rules he outlines.  From reading your posts, the 3+ capping system you've developed probably works better. 

Would it be alright if I send you a PM sometime with a more specific question related to Silverthorne's strategy?

[W7]

Kevster, All..........

  I am going to become active again on this thread.

       I have modified and I am now using an inside-place-betting method  developed by Heavy Hamlton.   Heavy is a DI Craps  author who also does workshops all across the US.  

    I have played with him on  the Vegas strip at the Monte Carlo along with 18 other players on a reserved craps table.

    I have  hooked  his latest way he is playing  into the  " 77 Craps System " betting scheme.  

   I just returned from my Monthly Junket-Jet  trip to Laughlin Nevada and  I used the new system after back-testing  ( Zumma and 72 Hour at the Craps Table books )  it over 10,000 real recorded rolls.  

It  is holding up as a winning system.  

So much so... that I  junket-jet returned yesterday  with 44 President Grants that I did not have when  I  started  the trip.

    I like this new Craps  System a lot.   It has legs due to  its player- biased-betting- trigger.  The trigger is based on waiting for  the shooter to get his point number established   and then betting  on the inside numbers ... including the inside point  for a  one play win.....then  down on all bets.

    I am using the "  77 Craps System "  betting-progression because it is table-tested over real Casino playing for a lot of Casino trips....so..... it  gave me a leg-up on back-testing.

   Well,  it is early AM ( PST )  and I have got..... Catfish-to-Fry and Rats-to-Kill ... before leaving for the 6:00AM new BJ  cards mix  that hit the BJ  tables at my local Indian Casino.  Yesterday's net ..... + 10 President Grants  

Thoughts ?
Respectfully,
Jim

[kevster]

Jim,

What is the betting progression you use on this inside number play?

[W7]

Good Day.....

 Opps ! .... I left out the most important betting trigger when using  Heavy's Inside System..... YOU WAIT FOR ONE INSIDE NUMBER TO BE ROLLED  before  inside place betting.

     By doing this...it kills-off ALL point 7-outs from knocking-off   my place bets.

    I  use  $220.00 inside as my base bet.  That brings in a  nice $70.00 net  profit... on each hit.

    Your  progression can be anything you set-up....from $22.00 inside on up.  The only thing you need to factor in when setting up your 3-step neg. progression  your  first  bet is 1x  (  base starting bet ).

   With a 1x  loss, you  go to  a 2x  betting spread  on the next set-up,   for two  recovery of 1x losses hits ....thus recovering the lost  1x loot.

    With a 2x loss,  I go to the 3x bet.   The 3x bet  is always  6x the base  1x bet.    That is a $1.320.00bet  for  a +$420.00 one hit win.   With a 3x win I go  back to the base bet of +$220.00.

  The above betting spread  is based on ... " The 77 Craps System "  located in the dice section.    It has been back-tested mega times and used over and over in real Casino playing.

   Another thing,  with a loss of the 1x or 2x  bets, I WAIT for a winning play to PASS ME BY before resuming the progression.    It kills-off repeating " clustered "  losing rolls.

EXAMPLE :

5, [6] 4,10, [9], 3,12, [5].............The  [6,9]  is a winning  Non-betting play... It now " Caps "  all repeating  back-to-back losing rolls, in this play.

    I now bet the 2x bet ( +$440.00 inside ) for the remaining rolls....and... a winning five rolls.

  I will outline and post Zumma's  page #1 using this system.   It is a simple system.
Jim

[W7]

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