Random Matrix

[MightyMark]

Heres what I have been playing lately , Its a different take on the many matrix systems out there, I made it myself, been using it a fair bit and not lost yet, play until + 10 units then leave, I use random.org to select a pattern for me...

Enjoy
(Its attached  )

[leroy]

You put a lot of work in this, thanks for sharing.

I've tried these matrix's before with no luck. They all bet
for, or against, previous results. Since it's impossible to
accurately predict a random event from previous results they
all use a negative progression to chase loses...very dangerous.

I've never seen a matrix system that bets for/against patterns
like you identified, very interesting.

What is the trigger you use?

I think I'll pick a pattern then just start betting that particular
pattern will not form...so no need to track previous results.

Here's your random spin data, first 5 lines...

3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 2
2 3 3 2 1
3 2 3 1 1
3 1 2 2 2

If I had bet that the first dozen would not appear on
the X pattern I would have won 7 out of 9 bets.

WWLWWWLWW

If I continued petting against 1 Doz in the X pattern
using the next 5 lines of your data...

2 3 3 2 2
1 1 1 1 3
2 1 3 1 2
3 1 1 1 3
2 2 3 3 2

WWLLWLLWW 5 out of 9 won

I do not use negative progression in betting but in
this case I will do 1, 3, 9, 27 on a loss to test this.

I'll also use the Guetting Positive Progression on wins.

There really isn't any advantage in betting for/against a
particular dozen forming a pattern in a matrix since the
wheel has no memory, but it's fun.

Here's your data showing a pattern using the letter N.
Betting against the first dozen would have resulted in
a win 8 out of 13 bets.

3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 2
2 3 3 2 1
3 2 3 1 1
3 1 2 2 2

The second sequence of 5 lines, betting against the first dozen
not forming the letter N would have resulted in a win 11 out of 13 bets.

Very interesting!

[leroy]

I just tested my first 5 x 5 matrix using Marks idea of betting
against a dozen forming a pattern, live wheel in free mode.

1, 3 , 9 , 27 progression on a loss. No increase on a win.

Last three results were 22, 8, 10

$5 Bet is against the 3rd dozen not forming a letter N.

$.50 on 0. Double the 0 bet every time the 0 does not
appear in a 5 x 5 matrix.

B _ _ _ B
B B _ _ B
B _ B _ B
B _ _ B B
B _ _ _ B

3 0 2 3 1
1 1 3 1 1
2 3 1 1 1
3 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1

The result was positive. 10 of 13 bets won and the progression
on the losses resulted in an overall no-loss net gain. And the 0 hit once.

Is it a fluke?

[MightyMark]

You put a lot of work in this, thanks for sharing.

I've tried these matrix's before with no luck. They all bet
for, or against, previous results. Since it's impossible to
accurately predict a random event from previous results they
all use a negative progression to chase loses...very dangerous.

I've never seen a matrix system that bets for/against patterns
like you identified, very interesting.

What is the trigger you use?

I think I'll pick a pattern then just start betting that particular
pattern will not form...so no need to track previous results.

Here's your random spin data, first 5 lines...

3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 2
2 3 3 2 1
3 2 3 1 1
3 1 2 2 2

If I had bet that the first dozen would not appear on
the X pattern I would have won 7 out of 9 bets.

WWLWWWLWW

If I continued petting against 1 Doz in the X pattern
using the next 5 lines of your data...

2 3 3 2 2
1 1 1 1 3
2 1 3 1 2
3 1 1 1 3
2 2 3 3 2

WWLLWLLWW 5 out of 9 won

I do not use negative progression in betting but in
this case I will do 1, 3, 9, 27 on a loss to test this.

I'll also use the Guetting Positive Progression on wins.

There really isn't any advantage in betting for/against a
particular dozen forming a pattern in a matrix since the
wheel has no memory, but it's fun.

Here's your data showing a pattern using the letter N.
Betting against the first dozen would have resulted in
a win 8 out of 13 bets.

3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 2
2 3 3 2 1
3 2 3 1 1
3 1 2 2 2

The second sequence of 5 lines, betting against the first dozen
not forming the letter N would have resulted in a win 11 out of 13 bets.

Very interesting!

Probably should have stated this but I manipulated the results in the matrix I use to explain the patterns, although its not uncommon to see line after line with at least 1 repeat from the previous line i would never use just that pattern alone..
Everyone always states how betting against a pattern can because it a rare occurance win but sooner or later that pattern will emerge and if your using progression then bye bye bankroll, what I have tried to do here is use random to beat random by constantly changing the pattern you use so you are not waiting for the inevitable emergence, and it keeps it exciting!

And new patterns and approaches are always welcome.

In regards as to you asking 'What is the trigger you use? '.
It depends which pattern I play, some have triggers, some don't

I like your take on it The betting in X's and N's part may give that a test myself mate

Also gonna try betting against the words
V
L
S

Appearing in vertical fashion  

[MightyMark]

I just tested my first 5 x 5 matrix using Marks idea of betting
against a dozen forming a pattern, live wheel in free mode.

1, 3 , 9 , 27 progression on a loss. No increase on a win.

Last three results were 22, 8, 10

$5 Bet is against the 3rd dozen not forming a letter N.

$.50 on 0. Double the 0 bet every time the 0 does not
appear in a 5 x 5 matrix.

B _ _ _ B
B B _ _ B
B _ B _ B
B _ _ B B
B _ _ _ B

3 0 2 3 1
1 1 3 1 1
2 3 1 1 1
3 3 3 3 1
1 1 2 3 1

The result was positive. 10 of 13 bets won and the progression
on the losses resulted in an overall no-loss net gain. And the 0 hit once.

Is it a fluke?

In my play Iv never seen an 'N' that size all one number but a run of 5 3's in a row like would have bust the progression, I'm going test this myself though as it looks good 

[MightyMark]

Just tested the N idea and had a great session my numbers, +8 units real play On VC Grand Airball

3   1   2   3   1
2   3   3   0   2
2   2   3   3   1
3   2   1   2   3
1   2   1   2   2

Betting against an all 1 'N' appearing as in the above fashion,
Even if I Had Bet another number it still wouldn't have lost regardless of the number I picked so long as I stuck with it,
I like this..

[leroy]

The only reason I picked a N is it gives me 13 times to bet in a 25
number 5x5. The X pattern is only 10.

A dozen repeating 5 times in a row is bad but if you are betting
against a pattern you won't be betting 5 times in a row. If you
are betting against a N pattern the most in a row is 3 bets, twice.

I though your chart was actual spin data, but it makes sense to
create fake numbers to explain your system. It's all good because
your idea gave me an idea and that's why we are here.

I just played another 25 number session...

1 2 3 1 1
2 3 3 3 3
2 2 3 1 1
1 3 1 1 3
3 1 3 3 2

wwLwwLnolinksnolinksL

I was betting against the 2nd doz because looking at the
previous 10 spins 7 out of 10 where in the 2nd and I figured
the trend should reverse, and it did.

I'm liking it too.

[bombus]

Why not just toss a coin and roll a dice?

Start by rolling the die...

numbers 1&2 bet against the first dozen.

numbers 3&4 bet against the second dozen.

numbers 5&6 bet against the third dozen.

Now toss the coin...

Heads you bet.

Tails you don't bet.

I guarantee you will get very similar results to the N pattern matrix, etc.

[leroy]

We are just trying something different.

Are you laughing at us? Do you seriously want us to base
our bet on the outcome on the roll of dice or toss of coin?

I suppose the Forum Moderator can laugh at us and post negative
comments on every members idea and brainstorming if that's what
he wants to do.

If I read your post incorrectly and I'm wrong please accept my apology.

Just Saying...wow

[bombus]

No, I'm not poking fun; I meant it as constructive criticism.

If you think about it you are spreading out the frequency of placed bets by waiting for a certain pattern to form or not form at certain points within the session, but when it comes time to bet, the odds are 2/3 that you will win betting 2 dozens.
That never changes so trying to fabricate opportune times to place a bet does not change the odds.

What I suggested will have the same effect. It will randomize when and where you bet just as effectively but will not change the odds of 2/3 when you actually attack.

Cheers.

[leroy]

Fair enough.

But EVERY system and brainstorming idea is an attempt to do
what you said, "fabricate opportune times to place a bet".

No offense, but I will never recommend one "randomize" their bet
on the toss of a coin or the roll of a dice even though you have the
same odds, for example, as betting against a pattern forming on a
matrix, it just sounds too condescending.

I don't know you well and haven't been posting long so I'm
trying to be as respectful and gracious as I can be while still
disagreeing on the premise of your post in relation to gaining
an edge on random using coins and dice. I've just never seen
that suggestion in an attempt to make a system better, or even
a post saying, "your system wont beat random, try flipping a coin instead".

I think I'm smart enough to test/modify/create a system, identify a
trend, decide if I should bet for or against it, and develop an effective
money/bet management strategy based on said system and none
of this requires a coin or dice.

There are several matrix type systems and they all look to
attempt to identify a trend then bet either for or against that
trend. Or, they bet for/against previous results repeating or
not repeating.

Marks idea was to use that matrix structure but instead of
betting for/against past results, bet against a dozen forming a
specific pattern on the matrix. He exampled 20 different
patterns to choose from. The bet does not care about past
results and when you bet a pattern will not form, you have
to sit out some of the spins.

I played 4 sessions tonight and every one of them won.

Will it win every time, probably not, but that's gambling.

Peace.

[leroy]

I've played 10 25-spin sessions and haven't lost yet.
Luck? Probably, maybe?

I always cover the zero just because it pays 35 to 1 and
use a 1, 3, 9 progression on a dozen loss. I've been lucky
that in 10 sessions I've never had more than 3 losses in a
row against a doz, but I think that's because in playing
against the pattern N there is never more than three bets
in a row, and that happens only twice.

Maybe someone you can improve on this, if you think it's
a viable system.

I've found another interesting anomaly occurring...

The last three sessions I also tracked red and black and everytime
I got similar results.

B R R B R
R B 0 R R
R R B R B
R B R B B
R R R B B

BRRBRRBBRBBRB

If I was betting red or black not forming a N pattern I would have won
using loss progression because there never was more than 2 in a row.
Maybe another lucky fluke but in 3 25-spin sessions I only had 3 in a
row once and never 4 in a row.

I need to study my results a bit more, it might be betting opposite each
spin may be more profitable.

[kevster]

I've played 10 25-spin sessions and haven't lost yet.
Luck? Probably, maybe?

I always cover the zero just because it pays 35 to 1 and
use a 1, 3, 9 progression on a dozen loss. I've been lucky
that in 10 sessions I've never had more than 3 losses in a
row against a doz, but I think that's because in playing
against the pattern N there is never more than three bets
in a row, and that happens only twice.

Maybe someone you can improve on this, if you think it's
a viable system.

I've found another interesting anomaly occurring...

The last three sessions I also tracked red and black and everytime
I got similar results.

B R R B R
R B 0 R R
R R B R B
R B R B B
R R R B B

BRRBRRBBRBBRB

If I was betting red or black not forming a N pattern I would have won
using loss progression because there never was more than 2 in a row.
Maybe another lucky fluke but in 3 25-spin sessions I only had 3 in a
row once and never 4 in a row.

I need to study my results a bit more, it might be betting opposite each
spin may be more profitable.

Concerning your last sentence, do you mean alternating between black and read through the whole N pattern?

[kevster]

Apologies, I mean Black and Red - I'm typing to quickly!

[insidebet]

Leroy,

So you won 10 sessions in a row using a steep progression?  This is just normal.  You probably will win 25 in a row.  Progressions ARE NOT THE ANSWER. How many friggin times???

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[insidebet]

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