RNG vs Actuals: A challenge

[Bayes]

9a: hangover, definitely a hangover. 

On a scale of 1-10, it's about a 7.

Booze is the answer, now I can't remember the question. 

Ok, next bunch of samples. BTW, if you want some feedback at any time, just let me know, no need to wait until they're all posted.

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[bombus]

1: rng

2: rng

3: rng ?

4: actuals

5: rng

6: actuals?

7: rng? This was a tough one but I intend to take a shot at every sample.

8: actuals

9: rng

10: actuals

11: rng

12: actuals?

Where are you other guys? Don't tell me you gave up after onlly  3 samples? 

@ Bayes, if my way of testing this is working then I should either be getting a lot right or a lot wrong. If I'm getting about half right & wrong then my method is failing, but no need for feedback as yet. Let's just keep going for now.

Cheers.

[MauiSunset]

Happy New Year everyone!

I can't tell the difference and unless a battery of statistical tests are run no person is going to know the difference; certainly not by looking at the raw numbers.

I'd bet the statistical tests show no difference either - but that's just a guess.

I thought there were folks who could "read" raw numbers from the wheel and "understand" random numbers - where are you guys here?  I remember about a year ago folks belittling me and telling me I just didn't "read" the spun numbers correctly to pick the next bet on the board - where are you guys?

I do believe in a "streaking"/"Pattern" and a "choppy"  wheel - does anyone have a definition that quickly decides whether the Marquee is showing a streaking wheel or a choppy wheel?  Thanks....

[Nickmsi]

1.    Loss

2.    WIN

3.    Loss

4.    WIN

5.    Loss

6.    Loss

7.   WIN

8.    Tie

9.   WIN

10.   Loss

11.   Loss

12.   Loss

The only thing I can tell so far is my system is losing more than winning.

Would appreciate an update to see if any of my wins or losses matches either the actuals or RNG.   Thanks  Nick

[Bayes]

Hi Nickmsi, look out for a pm.

[Bayes]

I thought there were folks who could "read" raw numbers from the wheel and "understand" random numbers - where are you guys here?  I remember about a year ago folks belittling me and telling me I just didn't "read" the spun numbers correctly to pick the next bet on the board - where are you guys?

Actually, I'm getting a better response than I thought I would on this. Those who made the most noise are nowhere to be seen, words are cheap but when it comes to actually demonstrating what they claim...  

I do believe in a "streaking"/"Pattern" and a "choppy"  wheel - does anyone have a definition that quickly decides whether the Marquee is showing a streaking wheel or a choppy wheel?  Thanks....

Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple. A simple one is just look at the length of streaks, if no streak is longer than 3 it could be defined as choppy, or if you play 'FTL' (play the same as the last outcome) and this results in a flat bet loss over the sequence of spins, then it's also choppy.

[Bayes]

sample #13

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[maestro]

sample-4/rng/
sample-5/actuals/
sample-6/rng/
sample-7/rng/
sample-8/rng/
sample-9/actuals/
sample-10/rng/
sample-11/rng/
sample-12/actual/
sample-13/actual/
sample-14/rng/
sample-15/actual/
thanks Bayes for the topic

[MauiSunset]

Actually, I'm getting a better response than I thought I would on this. Those who made the most noise are nowhere to be seen, words are cheap but when it comes to actually demonstrating what they claim...  

Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple. A simple one is just look at the length of streaks, if no streak is longer than 3 it could be defined as choppy, or if you play 'FTL' (play the same as the last outcome) and this results in a flat bet loss over the sequence of spins, then it's also choppy.

Thanks,

Personally I just use my method of picking Red/Black and when it is wrong 3 times in a row I assume the wheel is choppy and do the opposite until it loses 3 times in a row and then assume a streak is happening.  Would love to to shorten that to just 2 wrong predictions before changing.

But thanks.....

[Steve]

This is the simple truth, take or leave it:

1. How winning numbers are generated with RNG and real wheels is very different, so of course there is a difference. The cause and effect is different. If you dont know what to look for, of course they'd both look random.

2. If you look at spins only, you may look at reds/blacks and in this case, you will be very unlikely to know the difference. But that is not to say there is no difference - only that you dont know the difference. You have a chance to find a difference with bias analysis, but very unlikely over such a low volume of spins unless you have more detailed data. There are other types of patterns but unless you segregate and have detailed data, you are either likely to find very weak or statistically inconclusive patterns (or differences from rng).

3. If you have good quality data, and I mean much more than mere spin results, then certainly you can establish very clear differences between rng and real wheel spins. Does rng have dominant diamonds? Can you measure ball speed and ball fall points of rng? If you only have mere spin results, you will not have enough data for proper analysis.

Whoever suggests there is no difference between rng and real spins doesnt know what they're talking about. It is not a matter of opinion - it is simple fact.

[MauiSunset]

This is the simple truth, take or leave it:

1. How winning numbers are generated with RNG and real wheels is very different, so of course there is a difference. The cause and effect is different. If you dont know what to look for, of course they'd both look random.

2. If you look at spins only, you may look at reds/blacks and in this case, you will be very unlikely to know the difference. But that is not to say there is no difference - only that you dont know the difference. You have a chance to find a difference with bias analysis, but very unlikely over such a low volume of spins unless you have more detailed data. There are other types of patterns but unless you segregate and have detailed data, you are either likely to find very weak or statistically inconclusive patterns (or differences from rng).

3. If you have good quality data, and I mean much more than mere spin results, then certainly you can establish very clear differences between rng and real wheel spins. Does rng have dominant diamonds? Can you measure ball speed and ball fall points of rng? If you only have mere spin results, you will not have enough data for proper analysis.

Whoever suggests there is no difference between rng and real spins doesn't know what they're talking about. It is not a matter of opinion - it is simple fact.

Easy to say - just demonstrate it in the challenge.

Should be easy as pie.....

[Steve]

You didnt read what I wrote.

[MauiSunset]

You didnt read what I wrote.

I guess you've lost me.

If you can't tell the difference in the ongoing competition then you are living in a land that does not exist for the rest of us gamblers.

There are hundreds/thousands of spins in the challenge - if you can't tell the difference do you then need millions of spins?

How many lifetimes would you need to spend waiting for the number of spins to analyze - hell the wheel would wear out by then....

[ReDsQuaD]

I guess you've lost me.

If you can't tell the difference in the ongoing competition then you are living in a land that does not exist for the rest of us gamblers.

There are hundreds/thousands of spins in the challenge - if you can't tell the difference do you then need millions of spins?

How many lifetimes would you need to spend waiting for the number of spins to analyze - hell the wheel would wear out by then....

[John Gold]

@bombus, I sent you a PM.

cheers

[John Gold]

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