What to do when the trend does not work

[crackers]

You really expect Cheese to tell ??

Have you forgot his "no wising up a chump" policy ?

How can you wise anyone up if he doesn't actually know himself? Let's
at least stipulate that "trends" are an all inclusive aspect of randomness.
I don't wish to digress in a discussion of the meaning of trends. That
has been done to death over the past few years.

[cheese]

Rules never fit every situation. But they do apply
when a first loss occurs
:

Confucious Say:

He who applies rules to random outcomes
has big surprise waiting at casino for him.

[crackers]

Confucious Say:

He who applies rules to random outcomes
has big surprise waiting at casino for him.

More like Confusion Say...

Do tell oh mighty roulette master. What should people do when a first loss
occurs during a longer win streak?

[Nathan Detroit]

Do tell oh mighty roulette master. What should people do when a first loss
occurs during a longer win streak?


Mighty Roulette master will tell you  to get of the friggin table  and enjoy fruits  of  accomplishment.

TSI-NAN -FU

[bombus]

Confucius Say:

Even a turtle only makes progress when it sticks its neck out.

[cheese]

What should people do when a first loss
occurs during a longer win streak?

What should they do? Do what they want. Don't do
anything, stay, go home, go eat dinner. Whats the
difference.

Either you know how to make winning bets or you
don't. Your question is inane.

[crackers]

What should they do? Do what they want. Don't do
anything, stay, go home, go eat dinner. Whats the
difference.

Either you know how to make winning bets or you
don't. Your question is inane.

Yeah right. More nothingness from the biggest nowhere man since the
Beatles.

[cheese]

What should people do when a first loss
occurs during a longer win streak?

I don't know what a 'win streak' is. You see a bet,
you make the bet and win, you move on. There
are no streaks, just correct betting decisions. Each
bet is different from the last bet. They aren't
connected. And because they aren't connected, a
loss just means you made the wrong betting decision.
Other than that, its meaningless. The way you have
it, its like all the bets are somehow connected. Explain
how thats possible with random outcomes. You have a
long way to go in understanding how random works.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

I don't know what a 'win streak' is. You see a bet,
you make the bet and win, you move on. There
are no streaks, just correct betting decisions. Each
bet is different from the last bet. They aren't
connected. And because they aren't connected, a
loss just means you made the wrong betting decision.
Other than that, its meaningless. The way you have
it, its like all the bets are somehow connected. Explain
how thats possible with random outcomes. You have a
long way to go in understanding how random works.

Gizmo,

It's easy to see that Spike is not playing trends like you.  He is playing and reacting on a spin by spin basis as a random stream would typically act.  Randomness has characteristics that can be taken advantage of if you know what to look for, such as a typical random stream often has many short 'runs' and fewer longer 'runs.' Using this info alone with experience, guessing what will happen next can often be done at a better than 50% clip on the even chances.  In practice today I've achieved +5 units flat betting in 20 consecutive games.  You have to know when to stay away from chaotic strings, and play only within the strings that are producing more random-like results.

[bombus]

Gizmo,

It's east to see that Spike is not playing trends like you.  He is playing and reacting on a spin by spin basis as a random stream would typically act.  Randomness has characteristics that can be taken advantage of if you know what to look for, such as a typical random stream often has many short 'runs' and fewer longer 'runs.' Using this info alone with experience, guessing what will happen next can often be done at a better than 50% clip on the even chances.  In practice today I've achieved +5 units flat betting in 20 consecutive games.  You have to know when to stay away from chaotic strings, and play only within the strings that are producing more random-like results.

My game today went for 51 bets. I achieved 31w - 20L...not bad. I must say that I find it easier to pick the right bets when those (many short 'runs') as you call them, go missing in action.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

My game today went for 51 bets. I achieved 31w - 20L...not bad. I must say that I find it easier to pick the right bets when those (many short 'runs') as you call them, go missing in action.

If you are winning better when short runs go missing, it sounds like you are playing streaks in trends? 

That's not what im doing, I'm not looking at trends, im having more success looking at the entire sequence (15 spins) and playing one spin at a time, thinking and playing the way randomness might act.  It's just a guess, but im guessing more right than wrong. 

[crackers]

I'M the one leading a discussion on what randomness is. You
are the ever present disrupting detractor that hardly ever
offers anything of value. If I chose to select streaks as a form
or characteristic of randomness why should you go off
comparing apples & oranges in order to make another one
of your pointless offerings of wisdom?

I don't know what a 'win streak' is. You see a bet,
you make the bet and win, you move on. There
are no streaks, just correct betting decisions. Each
bet is different from the last bet. They aren't
connected. And because they aren't connected, a
loss just means you made the wrong betting decision.
Other than that, its meaningless. The way you have
it, its like all the bets are somehow connected. Explain
how thats possible with random outcomes. You have a
long way to go in understanding how random works.

[crackers]

In practice today I've achieved +5 units flat betting in 20 consecutive games.  You have to know when to stay away from chaotic strings, and play only within the strings that are producing more random-like results.

I use the dozens to seek grand opportunities. I use the flat bet with the red/black
to wait for those opportunistic moments. I played for two years flat betting the
EC's only. I'm very good at it. If people want to talk about the characteristics of
the even chance bets then go for it. Just for the sake of discussion, 12 reds in a
row better end up as a win streak or you might want to try some other form of
excitement.

[bombus]

...12 reds in a row better end up as a win streak or you might want to try some other form of
excitement.

Have to agree with this one.

So as far as dozens go, when they are pingponging back and forth across the 3 dozens with a string of singles do you find it as easily managed as when 1 or even 2 dozens are sleeping? Personally I don't like betting on 2 dozens so the singles are too chaotic for me.

[crackers]

So as far as dozens go, when they are pingponging back and forth across the 3 dozens with a string of singles do you find it as easily managed as when 1 or even 2 dozens are sleeping? Personally I don't like betting on 2 dozens so the singles are too chaotic for me.

A streak of singles is great. I love it. This is strange though. One of the
dozens may sleep for 15+ spins while a streak of singles will only last
for 10+ spins. It's very rare to see longer stretches of singles. The golden
opportunity is a combination of a sleeping dozen and singles in the other
two active dozens. While it happens you should bet as much as you can
on the obvious choice.

[crackers]

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