Optimising the Holy Grail

[ben10]

Hopefully this thread wont be threatened to be deleted as well...

Ok, please bear with me.

Lets assume that one day, someone, not me this time, contacts the forum and states that they have a winning system. They give it to 3 people on the forum that can do in depth testing over BILLIONS of spins and the system is a LONG TERM WINNER. It is the HOLY GRAIL!!! 

So what is the next step?? Is the system released to everyone for free to play as much as they can in the next 24-48 hours. I say this because it should take the casino industry that long (if not sooner) to identify that roulette has been beaten, is no more profitable and then either CHANGE the rules of play or REMOVE the game completely. If you disagree with this, then you are not living in the real world!

Now after many many years of seeking the Holy Grail, it is found and proved worthless in 48hours!!! Is this the best way forward?

What should OUR (the forum members) approach be to such a system to make it profitable to all the members or as many as possible.

[wento]

well if you sell it and it is the holy grail, word will get out you will make money for a second then like you said maybe the casinos stop so you may aswell just tell us haha

[Nathan Detroit]

Let`s  get 0ne thing straight. Roulette like may other casino games  are a  game of luck. No matter what hocus pokus any one  serves  on  a silver platter it does not alter that fact.

People  that  have written books on the  subject of roulette and at crack of dawn each day another cat proclaims that ONLY HE knows how play a winning method.



BEWARE OF SINGLE SYSTEM SCAMMERS !!!! BE on GUARD !!!

Here are a number of FREE systems.to chose from nolinks://nolinks.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/n5/mode/2up

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[ben10]

Let us not be 1 dimensional. Gents lets not get off topic here - the question is WHAT DO WE DO ONCE THE HOLY GRAIL IS FOUND?

Forget all the hullabalo about scammers etc... and roulette cant be beaten. WHAT IF IT DOES HAPPEN?

Do we still bicker about why it cannot, or do we plan for what to do when it does happen.

@wento - selling would NOT be an option unless you sell it for a ridiculous price of $10m or more and anyone buying a system for $10m or more would NOT give it out to many people unless they feeling very charitable, so in reality not many will get it

I feel that the forum members should decide/vote/put a system in place on what should be done if the Holy Grail is presented to certain members for testing and it is verified. Lets for once consider planning for success instead of being an eternal nay-sayer. And anyone presenting ANY system to the forum or any of its members for testing will then be bound by this.

Just food for thought.

[superman]

@ Ben, if you do have a holy grail the a forum is the last place you should post it, as you said the game would be ruined for everyone on the planet, as a new member you also have no idea of who to trust, even if you show it to a few and they agree its a HG then what? as ek jou was, ek sal my mond hou

[Nickmsi]

Hello Ben10  . .

Here's a couple thoughts regarding what one can do with a winning system.

First, I would not sell it.  It would be priceless and mass distribution would dilute the pools and change the way roulette is played in the future.

I would not give it away.  While I firmly believe in passing on good fortune and helping others, I also believe it is better to give a person a shovel and let him plant his own food rather than just give him the food.

What I would do is immediately share the system with my family and close friends, most of whom, need work and/or additional income in these trying times.

With other forum members, I would mentor them, just like I have been in the past.  I have learned more from one mentor than from all members in this or any forum.  I have learned to think outside the box with things like modulo arithmetic and pigeon hole theory.

While some may believe there is no Holy Grail, I believe we cannot learn too much. The more we know the better we become.

What a mentor can do is teach a full course in roulette, teach why progressions don't work, why event based systems don't work, show examples, give exercises to learn, and finally graduate the student when they arrive at a winning system.

Learning is a life long experience.

Nick

[TwoCatSam]

ben

Such systems exist in the real world.  But they take so much work, no one would play them long term.  They are like jobs.  Gamblers want quick, easy money not a slow grind.

Now, someone tell me there is not one--not even one--person on the planet who makes his/her living from roulette.  Since you can't tell me that, then that person has his/her own personal "Holy Grail".

Believe it or not, I once owned the "Holy Grail" of appliance sales and repair.  Darn near worked myself to death!!

But to answer your question:  Keep your mouth shut.  Tell only your dog, and only then if you trust him!!

Samster

[ben10]

@superman - ek sal my mond hou maat

@nickmsi - some great suggestions but i would rather give my family members a portion of the winnings than showing them the system - loose lips sink ships. My initial intention for my first posting was to open dialogue with players and lead them towards my system without blatantly giving it all away, but the initial negative reaction was surprising   

@twocatsam - thanks will definitely take you up on your offer for testing

[crackers]

BEN, I've already shared it. Because I knew that most people would
overlook it and dismiss it as too simple. Watch this: I'll do it again.
Roulette is a game of luck. There's nothing new in that. What works
is in taking advantage of changing conditions. You can use anything
that allows you to relate to these changing conditions. Then you
strike while in a condition of most likely advantage. You use a
method where only three wins reaches your goal. In other words
it's easy to win just three units per session. You have to determine
what's worth it for a visit to the casino.

It takes skill and playing experience to be able to take advantage of this
technique. That's singularly why almost everyone overlooks it. Most
people are looking for a simple to learn, life changing, ATM machine
type of a system that will give them what they believe must be out
there to discover. That quest is much like a self imposed set of blinders
that are worn by race horses. I've already shared the HG to see what
happens. Don't you think the real answer is far more interesting than
hypothesis and rhetoric inquiry? How long will it take to shut down
Roulette? The clock is ticking.

[Nickmsi]

Ben . . . Always open to a dialogue about any strategy, system, method, or anything else that might shed some light on new areas to explore.

However, from previous experience, what often happens is that a thread is hijacked by members with their own confirmation biases about what roulette is, what it can and can not do.

But, don't let that deter you.  Start a new learning thread and see what happens.  If it gets mired down, then we can always switch to private learning modes but please, Do or Do Not.  There is no Try.

Nick

[crackers]

Nick is correct. For many years you could not bring up an idea without
being personally attacked by pseudo math experts. "Past spins have no
effect on future events." It went on for years, a never ending mantra.
Meanwhile nobody was suggesting that they ever did. This digressed to
the point that most threads became hijacked. So far nobody has come
forward with a mathematical validated system that beats Roulette long
term. It's my personal belief that nobody ever will. But that will not stop
thousands of people from beating the game by non-mathematical means.
And that could lead to the scenario that you are suggesting in this thread.

[Steve]

Roulette has always been beatable. If a holy grail existed where all wheels can be beaten, it would likely apply to all gambling games in some form. So it would either be the end of casino games, or more likely, the casinos will just change the rules.

With methods that beat existing casino games, the casino only needs to monitor who the consistent winners are, and change whatever they need when those players are around. They know this, but the staff rarely do their job properly. After all its not their money they're protecting.

[ben10]

@Steve
I agree with your analysis - my current approach is to take R500-R1000 (rands) a day from the casino (about $100) and im sure im still way under their radar but $3000 a month is a great start and all I need to keep me in fine wine. If I ever get greedy then maybe $300 per day would be my max - and then I would be living like a King AND still under their radar

Some insightful comments and PM's sent which I will respond to in time.

My previous thread asking to be 'called out' on my system was/is threathened to be deleted within 48 hours if I do not give up my system - something like 25 hours left - i laugh at these cheap intimidation tactics and dont mind the thread being deleted now - no need for 48 hours - just proves my point! I still cannot fathom why an open challenge to people of the forum to prove me a scammer or the owner of the 'holy grail' is deemed against forum rules - how negative and naive - instead of trying to share some of my knowledge and opening up another line of thought I get threatened to be shut down 

I guess this forum is just to keep the carrot dangling for all roulette players till eternity and not be more progressive and open minded - some people just know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING and its a waste of time to get into a pissing competition with them since it will be like pissing into the wind 

Until this thread is deleted too, I would advise people interested in interacting with me to do so via PM

Why can we not unite and work together for once - this reminds me of the story from the bible where man was trying to build a structure to reach God and how he failed 

[Mr J]

"I laugh at these cheap intimidation tactics and dont mind the thread being deleted now" >>> The only TACTIC was the one used by YOU. Hints and clues are BS and you know it.

Ken

[ben10]

@Mr J
posting the Holy Grail to a bunch of strangers is even bigger BS and YOU know it!!!
Thanks for DELETING the last thread... I guess my days are numbered here but I am NOT the biggest loser
Its a pity I could not have shared some of my knowledge with many of the members willing to learn a thing or three from me

RIP BEN 10 

[ben10]

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