Optimising the Holy Grail

[Mr J]

Its very, very, very simple.......do not start a thread saying you have a kick-a** method and we should all bow down or something. If you had *NO* intention of posting the ENTIRE method, FREE, the thread should NOT of been started.

Ken

[xman1970]

RIP BEN 10 

Why Oh Why Oh Why is BEN10 R.I.P. ??

Well this scammer has already got guys PM'ing him via this forum.

So it's job done, no cost to him & NEW potential buyers in the pipeline......

[Mr J]

Why Oh Why Oh Why is BEN10 R.I.P. ??

Well this scammer has already got guys PM'ing him via this forum.

So it's job done, no cost to him & NEW potential buyers in the pipeline......

Very true, I even think 48 hours is too much. He'll get his PM's from the suckers and I'm sure a few of them will send some money his way. Oh well, I cant help everyone. He's a scammer, we know that.

Ken

[ben10]

@MrJ
With all due respect, I have nothing against any of the forum members, I have been there and done that, got the t shirt and lost it gambling, so I understand the 'on guard' stance.
Im raising the proverbial white flag here - PEACE!!! Lets start again from square one.

I have a winning system that has NOT failed me - i strongly BELIEVE that this could be the Holy Grail. I have seen many systems tested via public testing - why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away. Is this possible on this forum at all or should I just post systems that have FAILED me already or something I thought up whilst watching the clouds?

@xman1970
My first thread was deleted and I believed that all my threads would be headed that way, therefore the RIP poke.

As for the PM's people have offered to help me prove my system and in return gain insight into how I play - if they figure out my system on their own or by clues/hints that I leave to them then good for them. They will definitely be the first to tell everyone the day I ask for any renumeration.

[Bayes]

I have a winning system that has NOT failed me - I strongly BELIEVE that this could be the Holy Grail. I have seen many systems tested via public testing - why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away. Is this possible on this forum at all or should I just post systems that have FAILED me already or something I thought up whilst watching the clouds?

Ben, there's a test/challenge going on at the moment on the sister forum to this one (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.cc). Not sure if that's what you had in mind?

In the other thread you said that one of the conditions of the test should be that the spins be from a real wheel and in the public domain. The problem with that is that it would be very easy for someone with even a little programming knowledge to identify the set of spins which were being used, thus making the test null and void as a test. There is no evidence whatsoever that spins from a real wheel are in any way different from those coming from a fair RNG, unless you're using some kind of physics or advantage play?

Also, I'd like to know how much playing/testing you've actually done with this so-called holy grail - how many placed bets? (roughly). Time and time again we hear that some system is a winner but it turns out the claimant was merely having a good run, which came to an end... 

[Bayes]

why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away.

Has it occurred to you that every time you play your system, whether online or at a B&M casino, you are in some sense giving it away?
There's no way to avoid that. If the system is a winner it will be noticed, and depending on how complex it is, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it could be reversed-engineered, maybe it's already happened? 

Also, I'd like to know your motive for this - is it just so you can show us all what a genius you are for having conquered roulette? Or perhaps you're planning on selling it and want to prove to us that it's everything you say it is. If that's the case, it seems strange that you need to sell it at all, especially since you believe that if it gets out the casinos will change the rules. Surely it doesn't matter how it gets out, whether you give it away or sell it. Either way it will mean the end of roulette as we know it. 

[TwoCatSam]

The problem with that is that it would be very easy for someone with even a little programming knowledge to identify the set of spins which were being used, thus making the test null and void as a test. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,said Bayes

Bayes

That is why I offered the "real-time" test at Dublin.  To my way of thinking, there is no way of cheating.  Two, three, or more people could set screen capture software to see the numbers presented.  In essence, he is waiting for numbers that don't exist at this typing.

Guys,

Just because something interests me doesn't mean I'm a fool.  Thanks for looking out for me, but I'm fine!

Sam

[ben10]

@Bayes
Thanks for the insight
I have played almost 2000 REAL casino sessions (over the last year and a bit)  and have not lost as yet
My profits are less than $100 per outing which is about 5 sessions so im definitely not getting noticed
If I dont get greedy and im not breaking any banks then the casino's should not be concerned about me and my system

As for reverse engineering, you have hit the nail on the head, that is one of my reasons for posting on this forum, so that someone looking for the holy grail can gain insight on how I play without me 'giving it away' blatantly - I also want some recognition that I have a real WINNING system  This is to show people that there are REAL winners out there and that not everyone is a scammer, more the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel so as not to give up looking for the 'holy grail'. At the moment I will interact with the guys that have PM'ed me and offer them some insight on where they should be looking, if they are not already very close by

I also believe that there can be several other WINNING systems that have been already found or can be found in future and it just takes a bit of lateral thinking to accomplish, some motivation per say

As for selling it, i addressed this in my 'deleted thread' Just to recap quickly, why would anyone sell such a system, I may be tempted too for $10m  anything less and i can make myself, so selling is ultimately out of the question and a sure sign of a scammer  (I may consider $9m too  must be the scammer in me coming out)

As for the challenge, I have NOT tested against RNG, but I am willing to give it a bash - from my past tests of other systems, RNG results were MORE FAVORABLE and this may also be the case. 

I am willing to prove at 100 sessions of RNG, if you are keen to interact and gain some insight PM me and we can take it from there. I just need someone that is going to be honest with the RNG numbers so my system is given a fair test and that is the only reason that I asked for REAL numbers already uploaded somewhere so that if a losing session is shown, i can confirm that it is a true reflection

[mcmonaco]

@Bayes
Thanks for the insight
I have played almost 2000 REAL casino sessions (over the last year and a bit)  and have not lost as yet
My profits are less than $100 per outing which is about 5 sessions so im definitely not getting noticed
If I dont get greedy and im not breaking any banks then the casino's should not be concerned about me and my system

As for reverse engineering, you have hit the nail on the head, that is one of my reasons for posting on this forum, so that someone looking for the holy grail can gain insight on how I play without me 'giving it away' blatantly - I also want some recognition that I have a real WINNING system  This is to show people that there are REAL winners out there and that not everyone is a scammer, more the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel so as not to give up looking for the 'holy grail'. At the moment I will interact with the guys that have PM'ed me and offer them some insight on where they should be looking, if they are not already very close by

I also believe that there can be several other WINNING systems that have been already found or can be found in future and it just takes a bit of lateral thinking to accomplish, some motivation per say

As for selling it, I addressed this in my 'deleted thread' Just to recap quickly, why would anyone sell such a system, I may be tempted too for $10m  anything less and I can make myself, so selling is ultimately out of the question and a sure sign of a scammer  (I may consider $9m too  must be the scammer in me coming out)

As for the challenge, I have NOT tested against RNG, but I am willing to give it a bash - from my past tests of other systems, RNG results were MORE FAVORABLE and this may also be the case. 

I am willing to prove at 100 sessions of RNG, if you are keen to interact and gain some insight PM me and we can take it from there. I just need someone that is going to be honest with the RNG numbers so my system is given a fair test and that is the only reason that I asked for REAL numbers already uploaded somewhere so that if a losing session is shown, I can confirm that it is a true reflection

--Why testing a winning method...this I can't grasp.....and btw-you can not teach most
ppl. here couse even you give them a winning method on the long run/did this and know what am about/they will test it,some drillions spins,and come with conclusion it doesn't work.
They wana a method that wins every spin,as othewise most wouldn't know how too or don't
play whatsoever anyhow.....my 2 chips

[Nathan Detroit]

No matter how  well anyone  teaches a method nobody will pay any attention and still do their thing. To top itoff they think  the  martingale is the next best thing to sex.



Nathan Detroit

[pins]

i win. but i can not guarantee that i will win. if the wrong numbers come out it does not matter what system u use. its mostly luck. trials mean nothing. when you put your money down. common sense will tell you a winning system is im possible. i am not talking about winning a dollar. what good is that. at least 150 dollars a session. picking six numbers you can make 40bets without picking a winner.  good luck/

[Nathan Detroit]

I am wondering how  many suckers  he  caught in the net via  PM or e-mail who will get shafted.

[TwoCatSam]

ND

The man has my e-mail and he has not even contacted me, let alone try to sell me something. 

You see, Nathan, I never know where or from whom I am going to learn something.  I like to give people a chance.  He could be some guy who has the key to the mint and wants nothing but for someone to come forward and say, "Hey, he really does."  Like Superman when he was a kid.  Pop asked him if it was just about to kill him not to be able show the the jerks just what he could do.  And he couldn't. And it was.

Sam

[Nathan Detroit]

Sam,

I am patronizing casinos  for  32 years. I am well set with my methods for EC, Dozens ( not just the  ones in a straight jacket on the layout) , Columns ( as they are on the layout but only 2 of  interest to me),  A 22  number  fixed action number system.Bankroll  and Money management  requirements for each of those  above.

I did not pick up any of those methods in any  forum. My reason  for visiting forums is   only for one purpose  to find out what is the latest in casino equipment and how  those  changes  affect me.

Not to forget to know  what racketeers  are running on line  casinos. I don`t trust them at all.  The complaints  one hears  speak for themselves.

Roulette is not  my only casino game.I have  added Baccarat , Pai Gow Poker  and Video Poker to my arsenal.

It`s not what others can do for  you,it is what you can do  for  yourself .

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[TwoCatSam]

Well, Sir, unlike you I have learned a lot on these forums.

To each his own.....

And HAPPY WINNINGS! to you

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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