Roulette random ( or rigged ) - Will layout strategies work?

[Timo]

Hopefully it was money and time well spent on Kl teachings. I quite enjoyed the thread about Pies and Stars.
What could be explained in few posts dragged on forever  but these disclosure issues...
The good stuff was probably only revealed to paying members which is ok if it makes sense.
Pity that we wont be able to find out if it really works.

"The good stuff was probably only revealed to paying members" Sorry but I dont think so, there is lot of to learn and free.. 

Regards Timo

[marvin]

Regarding the layout of the wheel, decisions are quickly made knowing where the ball is favoring at any given time.

Kimo Li

yes I've read that part in your book about A & B.
still trying to absorb them, i am not really in a hurry to memorize the wheel


PS. yes i understand the benefit of memorizing the wheel

[PokerTwist1994]

Kimo Li,

I've studied the wheel base layout. I was at the casino last night and someone asked me what strategy are you playing? I tried to explain it to him but I replied that you have to read a lot about you're work. So he asked me, if I knew any table layout strategies like red, black, o/e, first twelve, etc. And you know what, I don't.

So Kimo, do you have a strategy for table layout bets? Instead of wheel base?

Thanks!
&
Best Regards,
PT

[Kimo Li]

Hi PT,

That's an interesting question, what a thought provoking idea. I have never posted anything that involves table layout strategy. It has been all wheel base principles.

My very first table layout strategy was a simple strategy. I would bet on double street bets, the 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. I call these six-packs.  Back in the day, you could not have any tracking device or paper and pencil at the table, so I used my chips as markers. I would place six stacks of in from of me. Each stack represented a double street. If any number comes in within a six pack I would move the first chip slightly to indicate that a number has hit within that stack. Using the process of elimination, I would wait for the last double street that did not come in and bet that double street.  What I came to realize is that sometimes that six pack may not hit for a long time and essentially would lose a lot of money. Then I applied a progression, martingale, of course, made a killing, at first.  Then, good old Murphy's Law showed up and got murdered using that progression. It was a simple strategy turned into a nightmare, stayed away from layout strategies since.

PT, you bring up a good point. Most people play simple strategies like even money bets, ie, red and black, odd and even, low and high, dozens, columns etc. Huh? I'll give it some thought.

Kimo Li

[crackers]

In the simplest of terms there is no difference and you can prove it to yourself.
Any 12/24 set of numbers will produce the same randomness characteristics in
charts. Things like sleeping dozens & singles will just occur at different times
than kimo's wheel based combinations. I know because I proved it to myself
with computer simulations. Knowing this has helped me like nothing else that
I have learned about this game. This was the experimentation that led me to
observing the randomness flow. That randomness flow is in every group type
that you create and in every table layout combination. The characteristics of
Roulette randomness is the holy grail of opportunity.

[Kimo Li]

That randomness flow is in every group type
that you create..

If that is the case then, wheel base numbers are grouped into every aspect as the layout. Therefore, the flow of randomness also applies.

So PT, to prove it, I will create a spreadsheet that will encompass not only the GPM wheel base numbers but the layout number options as well.

Kimo Li

[crackers]

Obviously the different groups will display different versions of characteristics at
different times. But the statistics on those types will come out almost identical in
tests using large number tests.

[loungeplayer]

An experienced seaman will understand currents and waves no matter how 'random' the sea conditions are and still steer the ship to the destination he wants.

Kimo Li's unique ball movements concept, concept of timing (when to enter and exit) and matrix = A powerful guide that works every session.

It is just amazing once you get it.  You will reach the shore you want, no matter how random the sea conditions are.

[seykid29]

Hi PT,

That's an interesting question, what a thought provoking idea. I have never posted anything that involves table layout strategy. It has been all wheel base principles.

My very first table layout strategy was a simple strategy. I would bet on double street bets, the 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. I call these six-packs.  Back in the day, you could not have any tracking device or paper and pencil at the table, so I used my chips as markers. I would place six stacks of in from of me. Each stack represented a double street. If any number comes in within a six pack I would move the first chip slightly to indicate that a number has hit within that stack. Using the process of elimination, I would wait for the last double street that did not come in and bet that double street.  What I came to realize is that sometimes that six pack may not hit for a long time and essentially would lose a lot of money. Then I applied a progression, martingale, of course, made a killing, at first.  Then, good old Murphy's Law showed up and got murdered using that progression. It was a simple strategy turned into a nightmare, stayed away from layout strategies since.

PT, you bring up a good point. Most people play simple strategies like even money bets, ie, red and black, odd and even, low and high, dozens, columns etc. Huh? I'll give it some thought.

Kimo Li

Kimo i think American wheel its easy to play Table layout when i look at wheel to relationship with table.Example in more common in playing 12 numbers.Like line 1 and line 3,line 2 and 5,line 4 and 6.American wheel playing Pie 1 and 2 is more fun.You can cover 12 numbers with just 2 units.

[Kimo Li]

Seykid,

I agree.  It's easier to see the ball movement if you know the relationship of the layout and the wheel head.  But, I'm going to create a spreadsheet that does not tie in with the wheel head, just pure basic bets: Even chances, 2-1, streets, corners, splits, etc., should be interesting because it will work with American, European, or whatever type of wheel.

Kimo Li

[seykid29]

Seykid,

I agree.  It's easier to see the ball movement if you know the relationship of the layout and the wheel head.  But, I'm going to create a spreadsheet that does not tie in with the wheel head, just pure basic bets: Even chances, 2-1, streets, corners, splits, etc., should be interesting because it will work with American, European, or whatever type of wheel.

Kimo Li

But the spreadsheets where already doing it on certain bets,eg,Even chances,H/L O/E
I guess i can already see what it will look like :-)

[seykid29]

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