'Don't trust betvoyager roulette !!!!!!!!!!!

[jekhb1976]

Hi There,

For people who are thinking to play at Betvoyager roulette think again.

For the last couple of weeks I lost a lot of money, and i mean a lot.!!!!

Rare things that happend to me when i was playing my system. this has nothing to do with roulette but with ripping of people.

Have you ever seen 7 times nummer 23 came up in a row ?? or 18 black followed by 15 red followed by 19 red followed by 15 black??

or when you have 26 numbers coverd on the board and the wheel shows 10 times the numbers you don't want ?
let's say i have numbers coverd from 0 to 25 and the only numbers that are not coverd are 26-27-28-29-30-31-32-33-34-35-36

and each time the ball lands on the 10 numbers for 10 times in a row without hitting your betting numbers ? come on please ! If people are saying they don't cheat, ok for them, but betvoyager isn't gonna get more money out of me. I wil be searching for a trusted casino.

Eddy
Holland

IMPORTANT: Betvoyager roulette is a scam. See nolinks://nolinks.roulettephysics.com/betvoyager-no-zero-roulette/

[Pactole]

Hi Eddy,

Thanks for sharing that info on betvoyager roulette with us.

Did you save some pictures of those
extremely rare roulette events so
you can prove it?

If it ever happen to you again,
simply press the "Print Screen" button
on your keyboard and paste the image
in Paint or something else.

I have played at BetVoyager before
and nothing suspicious ever happened
to me; it's the only RNG roulette that I trust.

That kind of extreme roulette behavior
did happened to me though when I started
playing roulette with Playtech RNG like at
EuroGrand and Europa Casino...

NEVER play at Playtech RNG, they are rigged!

[canroul]

I had a system I used on Bv and in fun mode, never lost as soon as I switched over to real money it busted first time. Only lost about $5 but I withdrew my money immediately

[Steve]

If you want to report something, use nolinks.reportcasinos.com

[ausguy]

jek - 3 mistakes you made with your play.

1. You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

2. You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

3.You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

Do a search on this forum (up near orange HOME logo) & punch in CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE.

Also research why RNG roulette games are in the EGM (electronic gaming machine) category ? In the same group as slot/poker/fruit machines (same machines different names in different countries).
Airball/auto roulette are also EGMs.  EGMs by design can LEGALLY rip you off. They don't have to provide true random results like live dealer spun roulette does.

They are even legally allowed to look & function like a real roulette game even when they are not.

As you experienced jek, the casino program has inbuilt player bets avoidance = Casino wins & so player loses.

All they have to comply with for payouts is to return an AVERAGED % amount back to SOME of the players. As in your stated play, you weren't on BVs win list.
The average is checked by audit over a longer period - accounting statistic methods. The general pattern is to assess over weeks not hours or days. Player large loss spikes are all taken care of by the game program.

Knocking out players who are at risk to the casino of getting large or consistant wins (payouts) is their main M O. They can then trickle back down WINS to some other players, that then maintains profits & compliance.

For profits the casino banks on most players mindset, this being reinvest the small fish back in to the game as the medium to large TAKE HOME fish CAN'T be too far away ? The reality is that most go HOME with no fish & only "stale bread & mouldy old cheese" to eat from the back of their cupboard.
All this info. (except the stale bread & cheese) can usually be found in the independent gaming regulators rules for the casino you are playing, not the casinos T & Cs. It can be a minefield to find stuff. Also google has a lot of info.

  What you don't know is how many other players have been/are playing around the time of your play. EG while you & canroul are losing larger amounts Pactole could be happy & winning lesser amounts ? Now multiply it to get 100 players like Pactole & 20 players like your self.

While BV & many other RNG casinos have the carrot of low minimum bet limits that can allow an above average progression range.

It's the sandhill analogy. Go to any beach or desert that has sandhills. Reach down and get a small amount of sand, carefully get rid of all of the sand except 1 grain.
Holding that 1 grain look around the sandhills & say to yourself "countless trillions just like this 1 grain". That's pretty much what RNG is all about.

In fact most other betting too = 1 step forward & 2 steps back.

To give yourself a fighting chance only play true random live dealer spun roulette. Yes the bank roll needed is usually higher as the lower limits are normally greater.

Insufficent bank roll BR & MM (money management) are a very much neglected part of many players game plans.

Which is the better bet/MM option of these three choices listed below, based on say a  progression minimum of $200 (or equivalent).

1. Play a weekly session with a $200 BR & lose the $200 more often then win ? Testing showed that with a larger BR you could have won more than lost ? 6 months outlay = $5,000.

2. Wait 1 month & play a weekly session with a $800 BR shows better profits than a $200 BR because the larger bet pool reduces BET STRESS & has you pushing out the larger level bets instead of "chickening out" when on a $200 BR ?   6 months outlay = $5,000.

3. Wait 6 months & play a weekly session with a $5,000 BR. Betting on a 4% win return gives you $200 profit per session. 6 months outlay = $5,000.

After 1 year @ 1. Based on 60% lose & 40% win & $10k spent then total losses = - $6,000 & minus 60% pa negative profit.

After 1 year @2. Based on 40% lose & 60% win & $10k spent then $10k outlay, lose $4k & win $6k = + $12k gross - the $10k BR = plus 20% & $2k pa net profit.

After 1 year @3. Based on $5k spent (1/2 of 1. & 2.) & @ $200 weekly play profit average for 6 months = plus 100% & $5k pa net profit.

In following years 1 & 2 mostly stays the same but 3. over a full year could  returns 200% profit & $10k net pa ?

Patience & self discipline over the long haul can make you a winner rather than a loser. How many gamblers can hang out for 6 months ? Judging by posts on all the forums, NOT MANY.

I'm currently in Phase 3. mode myself & on the forums as I wait as my BR builds. I now have all my betting on the back burner &  I expect to be less engaged on the forums in a few months.  As always I will only be betting Live dealer, mostly B & M.

[rayhd63]

Hi Guys,

I am sure Sam could say a lot to that. He has a lot  !!!! experience wit betvoyager 

Ray

[superman]

jek - 3 mistakes you made with your play.

1. You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

2. You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

3.You played RNG manipulated results animated not real roulette.

If you don't understand how BV generates the numbers you get, it's probably not wise to comment or insinuate they are manipulated, agreed there are RNG games out there that are manipulated but not at BetVoyager.

@ausguy: Yes RNG is animated but some of us just use the platform as something to play against and the RNG roulette is a good platform to play on, we know it's not REAL roulette but at every chance you get you attack it, give it a rest mate, it's getting boring.

[ausguy]

Superman - Replies like yours get boring too, so ditto to you on your "give it a rest mate" bit.

As you're so pro BV & maintain how good a platform it is to play on then perhaps you could explain Jeks experiences of his plays over the previous couple of weeks where he states...." I lost a lot of money, and I mean a lot".   NOTE - He does say his plays were over a couple of weeks not just 1 session.

While on the subject of money do tell how well you are doing with your BV bets ? How much ahead in profits are you over time ?

How do you explain his downward BR spiral with 23R - 7 times in a row?  18 Blacks back to back then 15 straight reds & a run of 19 Reds followed by a 15 Black run ?

Then his 0 - 25 bet numbers lost 10 times straight with BV "WINNING" all 10 with drops in the 26 - 36 number range ? 

Jeks last line in his opening post sums things up... "If people are saying they don't cheat," - (ie B V) - " ok for them, but Bet Voyager ain't gonna get more money out of me. I will be searching for a trusted casino".

Amen to that.

[chrisbis]

@ausguy

Tho I'm not here to speak for superman, he is well able to handle your Q's,
and I'm sure he will answer them shortly,
but the real answer to your question with regard to "Jek"'s results is "Static".

Who plays a game like that, where you sit at one position, static,
waiting for something to happen in your favour?
So, he is playing 1-26 and not covering 10 numbers.
And not moving the bet?
Would you or anyone play like that on a real wheel?

I wouldn't have thought so.
So, he was waiting for "Random" to come and land on his betting pattern........

I think the error, isn't with BV, but more the Bet Selection chosen by the player(s).
Such a static method/system/waiting for a number 23 bus  to turn up, is bound
to end in lots of buses turning up, just after you have left the bus stand, and decided to walk.

Would have been good to have seen some screen shots though,
then everyone can learn what to expect from Roulette.

[superman]

Tho I'm not here to speak for superman, he is well able to handle your Q's,and I'm sure he will answer them shortly,

Nope, not answering anything for him, I see no reason too, it's easy to loose loads of money, even on a live wheel if you play stupidly.

My post was to point out ausguy has no reason to call BV cheats as he doesn't understand how they generate their numbers, SFH

[ausguy]

Contrary to what you may believe S - Man, I read & understood BVs Randomness control SHA -256 Algorithm propaganda years ago.  Understanding it is 1 thing but disbelieving it like I do, I.E. that they manipulate the results, is another dimension entirely.

ALL RNG games LEGALLY cheat the majority of players, that's the only way that they can guarantee their profits. It all filters down from slots payout technology & that's well documented on line - e.g. Bulk info. via google.

Once more I will ask you S - Man ( & if applicable you too chrisbis). With your BV play overall are you WELL in the $$$RED or in the $$$BLACK with your account balance ? Only if in the Black can you really say with credibility that BV is a worthwhile roulette game to play ?

I do hope JEK returns soon to follow up on the "stupid", "static" & "bound"  of his play comments.  I do agree with you chrisbis on making ANTI STATIC bets rather than waiting for the win(s) to come to the player.

It often helps to remember that no human is born with a roulette guru brain, we all make mistakes (I know I do but less these days) as the learning curve advances ?

Is it correct on BV roulette that you can't wait out spins by not betting, or betting on opposing ECs ? or as some of us know it VIRTUAL BETTING (Vbets) ? I vaguely remember ages ago someone talking about betting on the NO ZERO game all 6 six lines to get around the restriction ?

JEK may have been able to use it to his advantage if he had the knowledge ? I'm not sure how he could have handled the bets on the single zero BV wheel ?

Maybe as a small loss with zero covered & a slight increase on the main bets to recover the zero losses ?

In the wash up of all this I don't play RNG games, BV included, so I don't get ripped by them ever. It does sadden me though to see JEK lose a lot of money to RNG.

[bombus]

Nope, not answering anything...

[superman]

Understanding it is 1 thing but disbelieving it like I do, I.E. that they manipulate the results

Trust me when I say I am well in the black at betvoyager roulette

To your above statement, if you still think they manipulate the results then you still don't understand the sha hash key, in laymans terms

YOU decide how many numbers you want them to give you (between 1 and 60 at last check, defualt is 10)

They produce those numbers and set it in stone with a hash key which you can check AFTER you lose/win to see that they gave you the correct numbers.

So, HOW can they manipulate what is already set in stone?? they can't

RNG's cannot be beaten with anything mechanical so anyone who plays a method/system is going to lose at some point. RNG's however do do some funny things very often, if you know what you are looking for/at that's the only way to win constantly.

Ausguy, I don't have an issue with you, I have issues with anyone who says BV cheat, they don't need to, 99% of players are dumb enough for them not to have to.

If you are going to play a set method (mechanical) by that I mean

wait for this
do that
if win do this
if lose do that
etc etc

Sad thing is, on ALL roulette forums, members are still looking for a mechanical way to beat them, YES there are some mechanical ways that beat them but that relies on HIGH progressions, martingale aside players still seem to think that chucking more at it will eventually save the day, it will, most days, but at some point either they hit the table limit OR they run out of bankroll, then we hear all about cheating rng's

@ Danny, thanks for the flyby, that's me, just cruising LOL

[chrisbis]

In my BV play, I am about evens.

Using short/small BR like the last few times I played, isn't enough for ANY game/session of Roulette, never mind at BV.

I have ideas/methods that win, others that break even , and of couse , the ones in the bin that lost.
Total trial and error at the moment, since I have only been playing again, for few weeks.

But, I would still maintain, if your, method/system is reasonable or better, then you WILL win at BV.
After all, they send the numbers to you in batches of 10, which although could be manipulated in some clever reverse engineered way, I think is the/one of the best we could fine, esp for purely on-line players.

For now, until proven otherwise, I feel BV issues a fair and usable output of spins.

Its folly to blame a failure at BV (or any other On-Line Casino RNG) on a static bet like JEK was showing forum, is
evidence of bolting the gate after............

Its no good sitting there, with a fixed static bet, saying to yourself:-
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."
"Its bound to hit next....."

(add as many as U feel suit the situation)
as for the other situations, I had a Marquee few weeks ago, that distinctly looked dodgy...until U realise I was winning all the way along, because I was FOLLOWING the last.
A small hint there!
See the attached. I can not see how to attach an image on this forum post editor?
As I was going to show you a Marquee of one colour.


On the subject of BV NOZERO, and European Roulette (with Zero), yes you are correct you can not get free spins to enable bet free tracking, tho its easily over come on NoZero, and just a tad more difficult on European Roulette.

BTW, I don't see the word "Stupid" anywhere.......just "Stupidly"........
Cheers.

[mcmonaco]

 I wil be searching for a trusted casino.

Eddy
Holland
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Don't as you won't find any,and have in mind many members on diff.forums areaffiliated to talk positively about it,including gentleman talking about it here.

[mcmonaco]

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