Dozen Dazzler

[leroy]

Not a new system, but it works well with a slight modification.

• You always bet on TWO dozens at the same time.
• Those two dozens are the LAST TWO that just came out, as long as they are different. If they are not different, you don't place a bet until you get a couple of dozens that are different.
• If you don't win right away (also because of a 0), you'll continue betting on these same two dozens for a second time.
• If you still don't win, you'll bet again on these same two dozens for a third and last time.
• If you win this third bet, you simply continue the system by betting on the last two dozens (so in this case the NEW last ones).
• If you lost your third bet, you WAIT for the formation of a NEW couple and then you go on.
• You go on until you reach your profit goal, then you STOP for the day.

The Labouchere Progression

• BEFORE you start your first bet, you write down the number 1.
• You'll bet 1 unit on each dozen (so 2 units total).
• When you win your first bet, you circle this number and that's also the amount you've won.
• If you lose your first bet, you'll add the number 1 twice (because you lost TWO units) to the right.
• The next bet will be THE SUM of the two OUTSIDE numbers, 1+1=2 on EACH of the dozens.
• If you win now, you'll circle (or mark out) these two numbers (the left one and the right one) and you'll see that there is still one number left. You have to bet that one number on each dozen (so 2 unit's total).
• If you win this bet, all units are gone and you've concluded your one unit winning.
• And so the progression goes on by adding to the right side of the row TWO times the quantity of units you lose and by circling (or marking out) the number at the left most side of the row and the one at the right most side of the row if you win.
• To clarify this last point: if you lose, you add the two extreme numbers of the row (the left one and the right one) and you bet this quantity on EACH dozen. If you win, you circle (or mark out) the two extreme numbers and continue your betting with the numbers that are left.

I have tested and analyzed this system and found it to be a winning system.

For one thing, when you bet on two dozens simultaneously, your chances of winning the bet are 2 out of 3, or nearly 65% considering the zero. This also means that in the long run, you would be winning 65% of all your bets. With the Labouchere progression, you are required to win one plus half (or 50%) of all your bets in order to be able to close the run, which gives you 1 unit profit.

Therefore, if your run lasts say 17 bets, you will need to win 9 of them. With the 65% probability, chances are you will win 11 of them and your run will be closed with 1 unit profit.

I also analyzed what it would take to lose 3 times in a row according to this System. The System requires you to give it a break and wait for another trigger should you lose 3 times in a row. In a sequence of 5 spins, there are only 6 ways you could lose 3 times in a row. And those are:

    1) 1 2 3 3 3
    2) 2 1 3 3 3
    3) 1 3 2 2 2
    4) 3 1 2 2 2
    5) 2 3 1 1 1
    6) 3 2 1 1 1


(The above numbers are the dozens that show up. this is because when you get a couple of dozens such as 1 and 2, you will be betting on those two and only if dozen 3 shows up 3 times in a row, you will lose.)

Now those 6 permutations are out of 3 to the power of 5 or 243. Therefore, the chances of getting such sequences are 6 out of 243 or 2.5%. They will happen and they do happen when I used the system live at a frequency of 2-3 times in 100 spins. And they cost the loss of 12 units, because when you lose 3 times in a row, your betting scheme becomes: 1 1 1 2 2 3 3, and you have placed on the table 1+1+2+2+3+3 = 12 units.

If you are just starting out and playing with $1 units a $12 loss is not totally stressful and you may elect to continue the progression. However, if your units equal $10 you would be down $120. If you started out at a $1 unit level and slowly grind your way up to $10 units it can be heartbreaking to lose the casinos money you have worked so hard to earn. So, a different approach is to simply accept the 12-unit loss and start over again from the beginning. I found that recovering 12 units can be sometimes less stressful and does not require the betting of large amounts. And one can recover the 12 units pretty fast with this winning system.

Either way you choose consider that a dozen repeating three times indicates a streak, so I personally stop at 3 losses, place 1 unit on the repeating dozen, then continue the ongoing progression once I get two new dozens. If the same dozen repeats several more times I can get most of the 12 units I lost back, changing my progression from 1 1 2 2 3 3 to perhaps, 1 1 2 2.

An additional method, if you don't want to take a 12 unit loss and start over AND if you don't want to wager large amounts, is to split your bets. There are various ways you can do this. Suppose you are down by 18 units after the following win/loss sequence: L W L L W L L, as this is what happens:

    W - 1 1 1
    W - 1
    L - 1 1 1
    L - 1 1 1 2 2
    W - 1 1 2
    L - 1 1 2 3 3
    L - 1 1 2 3 3 4 4


At this stage you could take a break, wait for a new trigger, and then split the 18 units into 3 different Labouchere Progression groups: (1 2 3), (1 3 4), (1 1 2). The only drawback, if you notice, is that you have to win 2 extra times in the split progression versus the original.

Good Luck.

[verrengia]

it's a nice and soft safe system,,but to make 100 units ,,,its take 3 hours!!!....we need speed and fast....like +500 in 30 minuts..

[ausguy]

leroy - Where are you playing your game ? RNG/airball/live dealer ?  Your double dozens method would need a variety of testing ( I have a number of live dealer results from various casino visits). If I get some time I'll run some through & see how it stacks up for the 37 number Euro wheel. Online live play at Party casino has a 2 - 2,000 GBP table limit range. My local casino here in OZ at the table I play at is $5 min. & $500 max.

What your always up against on double dozens is the 50% payout return on any win vs 100% loss on zero or the other unbet dozen.

In % terms the unbet part is 13/37= 35.14% & the dbl dozens 24/37 = 64.86%.  In average whole number terms in 101 spins we could expect 36 losing results & 65 win results. At 50% win return you would need 36 x 2 = 72 wins just to break even. 72 - 65 = 7 wins short. To win just 1 unit needs 73 wins from 102 spins.

Obviously a mild progression (which you display) should/could make up the shortfall ?

You may win on occasions but long term I feel the mountain is way too high.

I've played the double dozens with mixed success. Overall lost more than won. Fixed positions like 2nd & 3rd doz on triple up super Marty, with zero insurance on the higher bets with that amount added to each doz bet. Not betting if the 1st doz or zero hits to avoid a losing run & resume betting on any 2nd or 3rd doz result(trigger). The play killer can be a run of switch backs = D1/0, D2/3, D1/0, D2/3, D1/0, D2/3, D1/0 & bust.

The BR killer is the rapid climb of dbl triple up bets although Party casinos 2 - 2000 limit does allow more bet levels than most other casinos (haven't looked at Party for that yet). If you're betting RNG then this compounds your bet risk with that games interactive bet avoidence software = casino  wins & you lose faster.

The other question is : are $1 bets viable in view of time spent vs costs vs win strike rate ?  Mr J talks of betting, live casino only (not dbl dozens ?) with a BR of $7k & a win goal of 12%. Reach that & he's done for the day. 12% of $7k is $840. Alternatively as per verrengia post he opts for "the need for speed".

A player should equate playing to working. Like would you work for $3p/hr ?

[leroy]

it's a nice and soft safe system,,but to make 100 units ,,,its take 3 hours!!!....we need speed and fast....like +500 in 30 minutes..

Greetings,

The System works and one can use any dollar amount for a unit. An example is a test I ran at dublinbet using $25 chips as my unit, and $10 bets on single dozen repeaters. I made $470 in less than 30 minutes.

[leroy]

ausguy - live dealer, betonline.ag and 5dimes.eu (USA player)

I think what makes the System a winner is changing from a double dozen bet to a single dozen when the trend changes to a dozen repeating.

Consider this scenerio:

Outcome (dozen) is 1 then 2 so we bet on 1 and 2.

If the next outcome is 2 we win but the two previous spins are dozen 2 and 2, which according to the System is a no bet. But I place 1 unit on 2 to take advantage of the repeating dozen. Also, the System states that after the 3rd loss in a row we stop and wait for another trigger but I again make the single dozen bet looking for a streak.

It is true what you say about time. The longer you play the more likely you are to lose any profit. But I am more than happy to deposit $200 and play the minimum. My goal was to make 10% per day at each casino, which is about $200 per week, then each month double the unit value.

Cheers,

[ausguy]

leroy - "My goal WAS to make 10% each day....." I'm reading "WAS" as past tense indicating that your daily outcomes were/are perhaps inconsistant ?

In basic terms, for every losing day you need 2 winning days to reach your +10% target. Just on this 3 day scenario you are only +10% ahead where as your theoretical target says you should be +30% ?  Carry this forward as x 3 day x 10 (1 month) bet cycles you would reach your monthly target of $200 via 10 x $20 net wins.

Enough of the theory - The proof is in the playing. You say "the system works".    Are you playing your bet method daily ? Assuming you are, how long have you been playing it ? Days, weeks, months ?

Are your overall results reaching expectations ? 

As with any roulette bet position the basic odds of the dozens are also constant (zero aside). 2 : 1 on any single dozen & a 200% payout but only 1 chance to win & 2 to lose. On the dbl dozens the odds reverse at 1 : 2 with only a 50% payout with 2 chances to win & 1 to lose.

Countless players have failed to win consistantly  in past years on the dozens including myself & some other forum members.

If you are winning often then it's good luck & well done from me.

[ausguy]

leroy - Just checked Betonline.ag Panama based & 5dimes Costa Rica based. How have you found them for payouts & general game play ?

A few years ago on the forums there was plenty of discussion about casinos in the Panama/Costa Rica region. The general consensus then was to avoid them like the plague.

Some suggested they where run by drug criminals as money laundering operations & payouts were dodgy ? Fiction or fact ?

At the end of the day all that matters is that they payout on any of your wins ? They flag fast payouts. How fast are "their fasts" ?

Smart Live & Party Casinos (UK admin) take 3 - 4 bus. days to payout but they've always paid out on my wins.

[leroy]

Being in USA I am very limited for live dealer casinos. Betonline has been in business since 1991 and I have never had a problem with them.

I also like betting on football, basketball and pick 3 lottery, which 5 dimes also has and they have been around since 1996. I suppose the time to get a payout is about the same, less than 5 days.

[leroy]

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