The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[winkel]

some posts ago there´s a link to "Gut-Tracker"

[gizmotron]

@gizmotron,

do you know anything better?

As you can´t run away from house edged and can´t run away from the laws of statistics.
and remember this will survive without progression and keep your starting-bankroll.
No one can promise or expect more! Otherwise he is a liar or a burglar.

br
winkel

an if you study Markov, Kolmogorov and Döblin, you will see that there is only a little percentage that gives you the chance to win!
You need minimum 3% with European and 6% with American Roulette
If it would be easy that to beat, no one would go to work.
It is not to beat only with static rules

I have looked at hidden Markov models , dynamic programming, the Baum-Welch algorithm, and the forward-backward algorithm regarding my own use of computers to discover pattern recognition solutions. The fact that math wiz types have tried to throw me off for the past year didn't help much. Their absolute disbelief in patterns and making use of them have been doctrine widely accepted.

You ask if I've found something better, well I would suggest that you add the deliberate attack scenario. It's not enough to avoid the times when it's not working you must also have a technique to make more when it's working perfectly or very very well. I use a low flat bet during the times when I don't know what is happening. If I enter a time of it working very well I raise my flat bet by 10 times that value. It's the only time that I do that. When in doubt, go back to the basic start value.

[winkel]

Hi gizmo,

I didn´t ask if "you found" but if "you know" something better.

It's not enough to avoid the times when it's not working you must also have a technique to make more when it's working perfectly or very very well

The technique is as follows:
it is winning more often than it is loosing
avoiding bad streaks is additional to raise bankroll
it is flat bet always
Using progressions in either direction is deliberate but absolutely not necessary, it just takes a longer time recovering

When in doubt, go back to the basic start value.

I wonder, why you complain about my "decions to make", you do either! Or is that not a decision?

also these are decisions:

I use a low flat bet during the times when I don't know what is happening

and

If I enter a time of it working very well I raise my flat bet by 10 times that value.

I think it is not fair telling my system not working and asking for higher levels than your own is working on.

I supplied everything of my strategy for free and am answering every question.
do YOU do that as well?

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winkel

[winkel]

by the way: What is not working absolutely flat bet isn´t working with a High/Low- or progression-strategy.

My strategy is working absolutely flat-bet even if I don´t make decisions as I described in this thread. please look in the Testing-Area.

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winkel

[gizmotron]

Hi gizmo,

I didn´t ask if "you found" but if "you know" something better.

You came into my thread and said this:

Re: Past vs. Future spins, Logic vs. Mathematics
Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 11:15:43 PM » Quote 

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Hi gizmo,

it is all bound into to my G.U.T

If you read now you will understand what´s going on and what is the best decision to bet.

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winkel

You know, I looked at your contraption and it didn't wow me. The basic concept for probability and my interest's in pattern recognition were never a satisfying finding in your system, as you claimed that they would be. I came to see what you were trolling for in my thread and you don't have it. In fact you don't have a clue. Get off my back. You are rude and condescending and I don't need it from you. I'm waiting for your followers to crash and burn because they can't make it work the way that you do. There is no charting program that triggers when to bet and that uses probability to beat the house's advantage. Don't attack me, just prove that it works. You invited me and then attacked me. I'm going to let your followers tell the true story. All those numbers you keep posting are not proof.

[winkel]

All those numbers you keep posting are not proof.

please look here:

Spielbank Wiesbaden: nolinks.sbwb.de -> Permanenzen -> Archiv

CasinoClub: nolinks.casinoclub.com (this is not the casino just the homepage) on the left side there is a link called "COUPS".
only the last 31 days are recorded, but that will be enough to proof my numbers and results.

[gizmotron]

Fine, it's proof to all those that accept it.

I do have one question though. "The Holy Gral?" I'm guessing that that was intentional, "gral synonym : grainy."

Did you really mean The Holy Grainy?

I've decided to try another tactic. This should be far more interesting for me. I'm going to program your system as a sim and it will use real spins off the internet. Then I will know. I wanted to use pattern recognition techniques and you claim it's in your system. You said everything I wanted to know was in your charting system. Well, we will see.

[winkel]

Would anybody be so kind to explain to me what I did to enforce this aggression?

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winkel

[Edgardo]

winkel

I will give you 19 numbers from the CasinoWebCam wheel.  It is a John Huxley Starburst.  I will scan the sheet and e-mail it to myself so you will know the date and the numbers at this time.  No cheating.  Or I'll mail it to a third party.

OK, it's done.  The email is dated Aug 23 at 10:12 PM Central Standard Time or GMT +5 I think.

Here are 19 numbers:

25
16
14
29
34
19
22   22
14   21
21   20
23   19
10   18 
22   18
8     17
17   17      Win
16     
36   
18   
18   
8     



1 4 36 1 0 0 0
2 24 35 2 0 0 0
3 2 34 3 0 0 0
4 11 33 4 0 0 0
5 36 32 5 0 0 0
6 34 31 6 0 0 0
7 24 31 5 1 0 0
8 26 30 6 1 0 0
9 32 29 7 1 0 0
10 9 28 8 1 0 0
11 11 28 7 2 0 0     11
12 1 27 8 2 0 0
13 10 26 9 2 0 0     10
14 8 25 10 2 0 0      9
15 6 24 11 2 0 0      8
16 29 23 12 2 0 0     7
17 7 22 13 2 0 0       7   Win
18 21 21 14 2 0 0


Un saludo cordial, Edgardo

[Herb]

Mr. Chips,

It's also a good idea to hear a little common sense once in a while. Without it, we would have the "Holy Grail" posted at least five times a day.

In many ways it's more important to show why a system will fail, then is to post the system in the first place.  When a system takes on a title like the "Holy Grail", it's the duty of those of us that know better to demonstrate why the system will fail. 

To date, every system posted will fail.  Learning how and why each system will fail will enable they system designers to learn from their mistakes.

You may still consider it to be rude of us to point out the flaws, but if you're really paying attention, you will discover that it's really a learning experience that's taking place.

Constructive criticism is a very good thing to have on a gambling systems forum.  Without it, everyone would be running around betting the house and losing with the latest "Holy Grail".

By the way, the keyword here is "constructive criticism".  Don't make the mistake of insulting people with personal attacks if you're choosing to criticize someone's system on the board.

-Herb
 

[TwoCatSam]

I believe (and who cares?) if a person states they have the Holy Grail, they would love to prove it.  winkel is trying to do just that.

When Victor completes his "Great and Wonderful Number Spitting Contraption" a tester will be able to input 100 numbers and the tested will be able to get them one at a time.  He will bet and we will see the next number come and know if he loses or wins.

How Victor came up with this idea is beyond me.  The man is a well........

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

I can speak from personal experience to this matter.

Few--no-- extremely few, people would have the tenacity to learn this system and do the rigorous testing necessary to learn the subjective portion of the system.  It really gets old.  Memorizing the Groups helps, but it still gets boring very quickly.

What about tweaks?  Oh, I have had a few ideas.  But if it works, why tweak it?  What if you tweak it the wrong way?

This system is logic-based.  While I'm a firm believer in VooDoo Roulette, I am more comfortable with the reality-based systems.

So I will continue to---hak kaf ahem--"chip" away at the beast. 

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

OK, I have figured it out and am ready to run a few tests in my "spare" time.  Here are the questions:

1. Do you recommend a 50 spin trot? 
2. Do you recommend a dollar-won figure? 
3. How do you know when to stop when you're winning? 
4. Is there a loss limit?"

Thanks for all your work on this.

I'll try not to ask too many questions!

Now, ol' Chips himself is rolling on the floor!!

Sam

[winkel]

Hi TCS

1. Yes
2. don´t know what that means
3.
a) 40+ after 2 wins jump back
b) recovering after a loss
4. Automatic Stopp-Loss:
a) 2 bets lost
b) trigger is gone


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winkel

[bliss]

ready to run a few tests in my "spare" time.

Sam, isn't one holy grail enough for you?

This is just being greedy! 

[bliss]

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