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The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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bjb007

proofreaders2000
Pleased to see some positive comment.

It's about time a few more showed up I think.

New version of my prog now in Members Downloads
Area.  Outputs identical data to Tracker - but more
user-friendly I think.

bjb007

Sam

Make it easy on yourself...get the new version
of my Crossings Checker and use the manual
input to put in the numbers winkel and others
have supplied.

You can then load the file in auto mode and go
through it as many time as you like.   

Will definitely give you more time with the family!

TwoCatSam

bjb

I will certainly do that, but I would like to hear from winkel what these things mean to him.  Only then can I reconcile in my mind what is going on.

Thanks!

Sam

winkel

Hi TCS,

the titles are not clearly written in the copy

this is the original:



R = "0"
N = "1"
F = ">1"
F2 = "2"
F3 = ">2"

Hope you can read the columns correctly.

br
winkel

TwoCatSam

winkel

Thank you, Professor Plein!

I will work very hard on this.  I will run two programs (droidman's and bj's) at the same time and make my own Redneck chart and figure it out!!

Sam

winkel

This is the statistic of the clinical play for 36 days (see Testing Area)

[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   416   ,   -63   ,   717   ,   [highlight]1070[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
25   ,   -12   ,   -60   ,   -111   ,   -183
26   ,   19   ,   27   ,   35   ,   81
27   ,   5   ,   -2   ,   73   ,   76
28   ,   69   ,   -17   ,   -9   ,   43
29   ,   -43   ,   2   ,   23   ,   -18
30   ,   57   ,   26   ,   84   ,   167
31   ,   19   ,   -15   ,   -37   ,   -33
32   ,   5   ,   -27   ,   -10   ,   -32
33   ,   -69   ,   52   ,   35   ,   18
34   ,   33   ,   46   ,   -93   ,   -14
35   ,   5   ,   28   ,   61   ,   94
36   ,   25   ,   77   ,   108   ,   210
[/table]

same strategy (clinical) with stop at win/loss +40/-40

[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   -75    ,   -268    ,   328    ,      ,   
1    ,   -49    ,   -40    ,   41    ,   -48    ,   -48
2    ,   -40    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   -20    ,   -68
3    ,   59    ,   -41    ,   -44    ,   -26    ,   -94
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   -105
5    ,   -40    ,   -14    ,   -40    ,   -94    ,   -199
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   -70
7    ,   44    ,   -52    ,   59    ,   51    ,   -19
8    ,   -50    ,   40    ,   44    ,   34    ,   15
9    ,   27    ,   -40    ,   -44    ,   -57    ,   -42
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -45    ,   55    ,   13
11    ,   -48    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   -2    ,   11
12    ,   -44    ,   37    ,   25    ,   18    ,   29
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   55
14    ,   -44    ,   -40    ,   44    ,   -40    ,   15
15    ,   45    ,   -50    ,   3    ,   -2    ,   13
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   110
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   207
18    ,   -40    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   -27    ,   180
19    ,   -6    ,   -45    ,   -43    ,   -94    ,   86
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   5
21    ,   -40    ,   -44    ,   42    ,   -42    ,   -37
22    ,   -42    ,   64    ,   1    ,   23    ,   -14
23    ,   -44    ,   0    ,   43    ,   -1    ,   -15
24    ,   44    ,   -41    ,   -47    ,   -44    ,   -59
25    ,   -44    ,   -46    ,   -40    ,   -130    ,   -189
26    ,   -41    ,   -42    ,   35    ,   -48    ,   -237
27    ,   5    ,   -2    ,   43    ,   46    ,   -191
28    ,   42    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   71    ,   -120
29    ,   -50    ,   40    ,   23    ,   13    ,   -107
30    ,   49    ,   47    ,   40    ,   136    ,   29
31    ,   41    ,   -48    ,   -37    ,   -44    ,   -15
32    ,   5    ,   -44    ,   20    ,   -19    ,   -34
33    ,   -41    ,   52    ,   35    ,   46    ,   12
34    ,   47    ,   46    ,   -50    ,   43    ,   55
35    ,   5    ,   56    ,   46    ,   107    ,   162
36    ,   25    ,   51    ,   50    ,   126    ,   288
[/table]

same strategy (clinical) stopp at win +40, don´t stopp at loss stopp at spin 50
[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   422    ,   -82    ,   352    ,      ,   
1    ,   -32    ,   37    ,   41    ,   46    ,   46
2    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   3    ,   49
3    ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6    ,   43
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   32
5    ,   -18    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -48    ,   -16
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   113
7    ,   44    ,   -79    ,   59    ,   24    ,   137
8    ,   -10    ,   40    ,   44    ,   74    ,   211
9    ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73    ,   138
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -49    ,   51    ,   189
11    ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   43    ,   232
12    ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79    ,   311
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   337
14    ,   4    ,   -66    ,   44    ,   -18    ,   319
15    ,   45    ,   5    ,   3    ,   53    ,   372
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   469
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   566
18    ,   59    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   72    ,   638
19    ,   -6    ,   -64    ,   -69    ,   -139    ,   499
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   418
21    ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58    ,   360
22    ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80    ,   440
23    ,   29    ,   0    ,   43    ,   72    ,   512
24    ,   44    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   20    ,   532
25    ,   -12    ,   -60    ,   -111    ,   -183    ,   349
26    ,   19    ,   27    ,   35    ,   81    ,   430
27    ,   5    ,   -2    ,   43    ,   46    ,   476
28    ,   42    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   71    ,   547
29    ,   -43    ,   40    ,   23    ,   20    ,   567
30    ,   49    ,   47    ,   40    ,   136    ,   703
31    ,   41    ,   -15    ,   -37    ,   -11    ,   692
32    ,   5    ,   -27    ,   20    ,   -2    ,   690
33    ,   -41    ,   52    ,   35    ,   46    ,   736
34    ,   47    ,   46    ,   -93    ,   0    ,   736
35    ,   5    ,   56    ,   46    ,   107    ,   843
36    ,   25    ,   51    ,   50    ,   126    ,   969
[/table]

for that I recommend:

stopp (jump back) at >= +40
stopp at spin 50

Money management:
Play BankRoll: 200
Refill BankRoll (to always have 200 at the table): 200
Restart BankRoll: 200

What ever will be more than 600 you can spent for something nice.

br
winkel

winkel

for those who like pictures:

picture 1: table 1 in the post before
picture 2: line game after game - not day by day


TwoCatSam

winkel

Suddenly it's all very clear!  Now I can proceed!  The column headings were what was throwing me.

Sam

TwoCatSam

I have constructed a "header" for winkel's rolling/scrolling charts so that when I print them I can slide this up and down and know what I'm looking at.  Take a look:



Since the "AH HA" moment an hour or so ago, I have had very little time to study this and I'm off to the movies, so it will be later.

Let's not dismiss winkel just yet.  This is a very interesting study!

Sam

ernesto

Thanks Winkel the test!

It is very impressive, even if you play all trigger, not only the good ones.

ernesto

macak

Thx for the GUT Winkel !!!

ps: muss mir das nochmal durchlesen, glaube ich hab es noch nicht zu 100% kapiert ;)
Sorry my english is very bad....

Natural9

Winkl rocks we need more like him on this forum

Willing to put forward his method we try pick it apart but still holds up

Good for you mate

You got expect to be flamed  i guess but  keep up good work

Regards Rodney

TwoCatSam

This cut is taken from reply #1, Wiesbaden T3, from the "Testing G.U.T." thread.


                       0     1      2
44   13      41    11   16   10
45   10 rr   66    10   17   10
46   15      66    10   17   10

47   23      66    10   16   11

Referring to line 44, you had a 0 v 2 potential "near crossing" and it won.  Then on line 45 you had an actual potential crossing on 0 v 2 and again on line 46 a 0 v 2 but neither of them were bet.  Why?

Sam

TwoCatSam

This cut is from post #2, Wiesbaden T8, from the Testing Zone.



38   23   rr   -18    13   14   10
39   36      -18    12   15   10
40   10      -18    12   15   10
41   31      -18    12   14   11
42   27      -18    11   15   11
43   14   rr   7    10   16   11
44   2      7    10   16   11

Concerning line 41, you have a potential "near crossing" with 0 v 2 and there was no bet placed.  Then on line 42 you have a potential crossing with 0 v 2 and you bet that one.

It would seem what you did in post #1 and post #2 are exactly opposite.

Could you explain, please?

Sam

winkel

Hi TCS,

1. When I play the wiesbaden tables I play them paralell as they appear on the screen.
So there might be mistakes occuring by switching between the tables.

2. When I started the test I sometimes played with my "old style" that means with decisions made during the game.
When I noticed that, I changed to play clearly every crossing.

3. now to your question #1
normally if a crossing has crossed and it builds another crossing, I don´t rebet!
so I stopped there.
This situation shows another problem that you will find:
one crossing is to bet max. 3 times (with 10 numbers). when 11-10 hits and a 10-10 appears is this the second bet on the same crossing or the first bet on the new crossing.

This would have been correct to the "clinical style"
11 17 10 bet -11
10 17 10 win 36 bet -10
10 17 11 no bet

total result +55 instead of 65

4. Your second questions
same thing
if you follow the bet on "0"
loss
recover

loss
loss

loss
recover

now I predict normally another loss-loss
as it changed the rythm to "win - ?" I restarted to bet.
and it came win

correct in the clinical way:
12-11 bet -12
11-11 win +36 bet -11
10-11 win +36 and trigger dead

total result +61 instead of +37

all in all
I "cheated" on table 3 a loss of -10 and
I "cheated" on table 8 a win of +24

playing two tables at the same time may produce mistakes, I hope this is acceptable. and as long it is not to my favour it may be okay.

If you wanna learn the real game try to discuss the big losses and what decisions would have been better than the clinical rules say.

br
winkel



winkel

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