The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[TwoCatSam]

I'm posting another sheet.  This was September 4, 08.  This is three 200-spin trots I've looked at.  I'm up well over 130 units for the three.  One lost 20u.

I am using Track2.  It's much easier than Track3 when you compartmentalize your mind just right.  The crossings just leap off the page at you.  If there are progression players around...this thing very rarely loses three in a row.  In this trot I saw a 4 v 3 win on the first bet.  That would be 32u won.

This may be luck but it may not be.  More testing will prove it one way or another. 

Sam

[Herb]

TwocatSam,

So far to date, all relevant testing has shown this one performs exactly as expected. -2.7%

The testing that you show above bares no statistical significance because the sample size is too small.

[Advantage.Player]

So far to date, all relevant testing has shown this one performs exactly as expected. -2.7%

Care to link that to "relevant" data?

So far this system is a winner, profits are slow but you win - you could always bet more though.

Ive combined Winkels system with my own trend play and so far after 750 spins I am up $3,500.

How about you disprove Winkels system Herb - with logical reasoning or by demonstration.

[Herb]

How about you disprove Winkels system Herb - with logical reasoning or by demonstration.

I already have.  View reply 529.

[TwoCatSam]

A tough session......went down well over 100u and then back up to +21.  This was 9.5.8

I guess I should get into the testing zone.

Advantage.Player..

Ummmm....sounds like you've got an advantage there, Bro!!  If you ever care to share that method of yours, I'm a real nice guy! 

Good on ya!!

Sam

[winkel]

what if we have this scenaio

18 14  2 2  can we play this >1 and >2 we could play for 18 spins could we not I have a feeling this would win anyhow

Regards Rodney

Winkel going on my above example what would be the lowest  number crossing you would be on what about something like 15 11  5 5  would you take the >1 crossing to the >2 column 5 5 would seem like a good bet here but what if it was like 3 3

Regards Rodney

Hi Rodney,

as I said before this strategy needs experience as chess or bridge. Of course you can bet these crossings, but you have to have a good look to what´s going on.

Again to all beginners: Just start with betting on 0vs1, 1vs2, 0vs>1, 0vs2. Don´t watch more than 50 spins.

When you have played several hundreds of permanences you will have a feeling when to bet these crossings 2vs>2 or 2vs3.
They mostly appear when we have a permanence with very slow "0"s. you have then to realize this trend ending to stop your bets even the trigger is alive. That is a higher level of this strategy and not yet recommended for beginners,

There are lots of examples in the test-area please look there.

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winkel

[winkel]

How about you disprove Winkels system Herb - with logical reasoning or by demonstration.

I already have.  View reply 529.

That was just a farth in the dark.

[highlight]So far to date, all relevant testing has shown this one performs exactly as expected. -2.7%[/highlight]

all relevant testings? you didn´t even understand whats going on, so what have you tested?
and the tests of anyone who tries to study this strategy is just one more positiv result to the 10 000 000 spins test I did.

go back to the dark. Between the blinds the one eyed is the king. but in the dark he they know to move, the one eyed is lost.

[Advantage.Player]

Post 529 is just your typical -2.7% and roulette wheel has no memory crap that you always bring up Herb. All you did that time was expand on the fact you have no further arguments due to the increased post length yet minimal new info. 

So in response to my question "How about you disprove Winkels system Herb - with logical reasoning or by demonstration" and by not disproving with logical reasoning (like cmon, even the noobs here know the -2.7% and roulette wheel has no memory crap) I assume you will do it by demonstration. Great, I cant wait...

Oh and dark side?! I think not, more like the Herb side. Also If you disbelieve that roulette is profitable and truly believe in your obvious -2.7% crap - why on earth are you on this forum? Are you that board? Wheres your system?

[TwoCatSam]

From winkel:

When you have played several hundreds of permanences you will have a feeling when to bet these crossings 2vs>2 or 2vs3.
They mostly appear when we have a permanence with very slow "0"s.

I've noticed this, about how they appear when the "0"s all start going slow and the numbers start moving from the "1" column to the "2" and "3" column.  If you keep an open mind, you will see many of the things winkel has said you would see.

Will this win over time?  I can't say......yet.  I can say that after your first entry of numbers and you jump back to "20" with the Track2 software, you have a bet in about seven or eight spins and you jump back again in ten to fifteen spins almost every time.  It is slow for the first 30 or so but then it goes very quickly.

I'm not going to sell off my Microsoft stock to bet on this thing, but I will give it it's due process!

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

I wish there was a safeguard in place at the time of the crossings for the repeaters.  I keep getting the repeaters and it's beginning to hurt.

[TwoCatSam]

Proof

You mean you're wanting a 0 and the 1s start repeating?  That happens to me, too.  Still, every time but once when I've gone in the hole, I came out ahead.  And the once was only 20u lost.  I've been through 800 numbers and it does the same thing every time.  Almost a carbon copy (a what??) of the run before.

Sam

[kompressor]

hey winkel....your system is good cause it rely on pure logic but my biggest problem is to play this on my crowded table's casino....when there's sometime 3-4 minutes between each bet...how would you manage this ??

[Natural9]

You could track two tables at same tme

[Boo_Ray]

I got the Idea for new clinical play rules
Because we are always talking about safe bet or risky bet...
And if there is too much numbers of one group..
What about to make a rule that we don't bet first crossing and then usualy lines cross back the other way and then bet for crossing to come.. there is only one problem - it is not for sure that lines will do a bow shape and cross back so it might need some more tracking

here is example what I mean:
[table=,]
0,1,Bet
20,12
19,13
18,14
17,15
16,16,No bet
15,17
15,16
15,15,Bet here
[/table]

that is just example, but do you get the Idea?

[winkel]

@all

your problem has its origin in all the other systems around or the systems you were looking for so far.

a system that would win every bet
a system that recovers a lost bet by using a progression
a system that gives a win always you close the game

G.U.T is totally different.

as I said, if you would check any single crossing-combination and run it over millions of spins it ends up -2,7%.

Why does it win then??
because not all crossing will be in the loosing streak some are there others are in their winning streak.
as long as we bet <18 numbers we will beat the house edge.
so we just have to win 1 bet more than we loose and we are positive.

look at the example from boo_ray:

He definitely is in a run where the first bet loses and the second bet wins.
That is temporary. Next week it will be the other way around.
Then it will loose both the first and the second bet.

Again: any decision you make, can be right or can be wrong. But if you play all appearing crossings: you will win more than you loose. But therefore you have to bet all crossings.

Again: This is the beginners rule.

After a while you will see when there is a risky bet or a nice bet.
Again my example for that:

if a crossing comes from

13 9
12 10
11 11 think about betting on "11", because the chance you have to bet on had three hits in a row

if a crossing comes from
11 15
11 14
11 13
11 12
11 11 bet on the "11" because they hadn´t a hit since several spins

if a crossing appears this way

16 16
15 17
15 16
15 15
14 16
14 15
14 14
bet every twin, because there is a rythm in it.
(I took just two relations for a clear example. if you look at the testings you will see such streaks of winnings and of loosings and they will all follow my description.)
Somestimes you will loose on these "sure bets" as well, that´s the game. But LongTerm this is the reason it wins.
1. There is always a crossing
2. The crossing has to cross
3. And it does it more often than it refuses to do
(remember me talking about "crossing" not a single combination that builds a crossing)

br
winkel

[winkel]

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