The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[Boo_Ray]

yes but every 50 spins or more, actualy as much as needed to get 2 betting oportunities I would reset

I would like to know what winkel thinks

[winkel]

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[table]
C No. R N F
1 8 36 1 0
2 12 35 2 0
3 13 34 3 0
4 18 33 4 0
5 22 32 5 0
6 27 31 6 0
7 2 30 7 0
8 12 30 6 1
9 3 29 7 1
10 1 28 8 1
11 17 27 9 1
12 31 26 10 1
13 30 25 11 1
14 7 24 12 1
15 6 23 13 1
16 11 22 14 1
17 29 21 15 1
18 20 20 16 1
19 36 19 17 1
20 20 19 16 2
21 13 19 15 3
22 19 18 16 3
23 35 17 17 3 bet 17 R
24 32 16 18 3 won 19
25 3 16 17 4
26 23 15 18 4
27 35 15 17 5
28 15 14 18 5
29 19 14 17 6
30 7 14 16 7
31 27 14 15 8
32 4 13 16 8
33 30 13 15 9
34 21 12 16 9
35 23 12 15 10
36 6 12 14 11
37 12 12 14 11
38 33 11 15 11
39 14 10 16 11
40 31 10 15 12
41 3 10 15 12
42 33 10 14 13 bet 14 N
43 10 9 15 13 loss -14
44 36 9 14 14 bet 14 N
45 34 8 15 14 loss -14 bet 15 N
46 2 8 14 15 won 21 total 12
47 20 8 14 15
48 29 8 13 16
49 11 8 12 17
50 16 7 13 17
51 5 6 14 17
52 1 6 13 18
53 0 5 14 18
54 1 5 14 18
55 29 5 14 18
56 18 5 13 19
[/table]

[winkel]

@JHM and @booray

as you can see on the numbers of TCS, there are some spins that end up very fast with giving no more triggers.

If we play only on 3 rows R N and F so the game doesn´t give trigger over the point of 50 spins.



as you can see we only have 3 areas of crossings

[winkel]

If we split F (>1) in F2 and F>2 we get more crossings

[winkel]

If we keep F (>1) (now light blue line) then we get even more crossings

[winkel]

Interesting. But, I guess we can only say if it works when played a min. of 1000 spins?

It is already tested over 10 000 000 spins. otherwise I wouldn´t call it the Grail

[Herb]

Since this is an open thread, I will speak up.  When a voice of logic and reason doesn't occasionally speak up, bad ideas can gain too much traction.
(Winkel, My intention is not to try and make you look like an idiot.  I'm just trying to be helpful.  So please, relax. )

The charts look cool, but they're worthless.  By the way, 99% of the people here don't know what they're looking at when they view them, because you don't effectively explain what they are.

The foundation that you are using for your "betting triggers" isn't of value.  It's still based on a form of gambler's fallacy. 

 Just because one number has already hit, doesn't make it more likely to hit again during the next set of spins.  Your use of "binomial distribution" isn't improving the bet selection.  That's the gambler's fallacy part.  The binomial distribution is just an observation.  It will not guide the user toward the best bets.

Now, I know you're not going to accept what I say as fact, (even though it is), so when you test this one, be sure to test a statistically significant number of trials before running out to risk real money on this system. (start with 10k trials, it's small, but this one will likely fail before then).  Once you test enough trials, you will find this one performs very close to expectation. -2.7

Good Luck.

-Herb

[winkel]

Now, I know you're not going to accept what I say as fact, (even though it is), so when you test this one, be sure to test a statistically significant number of trials before running out to risk real money on this system. (start with 10k trials, it's small, but this one will likely fail before then).  Once you test enough trials, you will find this one performs very close to expectation. -2.7

Good Luck.

-Herb

that proofs how blind you are. You didn´t even read the thing. Otherwise you would see that your arguments fail.

PLEASE read the post before your post blind man.

I tested it with over 10 000 000 spins and it gave an result in Plus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now go to to somewhere else: e.g. to San Francisco telling gay people they are wrong.

[Herb]

Let's just say your testing is suspect. lol.

By the way, where's your testing? 

Don't just point us to one of your charts.  Show us some real testing.

[winkel]

Let's just say your testing is suspect. lol.

No other idea?

sure it is a bad feeling having lost. Found being stupid and writing senseless words disturbing people joining their hobby.

But still you have a chance: test it yourself over that period and give us the results.

[Tucktuckster]

winkel,

i like your ideas.

good logic.

will test some and post on here.

i would be grateful if you could review my test. i hope that it will make sense when i do it.

[Panopticon]

Just some questions winkel to make sure I get it right, from some situations I met during testing:

R       N       F
15     14      8     Here we bet the 15 numbers that do not appear and we lose and we get something like this....
15     13      9     <-When we bet 15 numbers we are supposed to bet twice, but here the difference is not 0 or 1 anymore. So we do not 
                            bet again and wait for a new trigger right??

Another scenario would be:

R       N       F
13     12      12  Here we bet the 13 numbers not appearing and let's say we win. So we get this....
12     13      12  Do we carry on immediately with the new trigger of the 13 numbers that appeared once? I suppose so...

And a last one:

R       N       F     F2
11     13      10    3    In situations like this you consider having a trigger, as 13=10+3 with difference being 0 and bet the numbers that 
                              have appeared once? I think this counts as trigger...

Regards

[Herb]

Where can we examine your testing results?


Please be specific.

Thanks!

-Herb

[winkel]

Just some questions winkel to make sure I get it right, from some situations I met during testing:

R       N       F
15     14      8     Here we bet the 15 numbers that do not appear and we lose and we get something like this....
15     13      9     <-When we bet 15 numbers we are supposed to bet twice, but here the difference is not 0 or 1 anymore. So we do not 
                            bet again and wait for a new trigger right??

We only do bet a second time when the trigger consists. Here the difference is now 2, so we stopp.
Another example:
15 15 we bet an loose because it changes to
15 14 this is still a trigger so we bet again

Another scenario would be:

R       N       F
13     12      12  Here we bet the 13 numbers not appearing and let's say we win. So we get this....
12     13      12  Do we carry on immediately with the new trigger of the 13 numbers that appeared once? I suppose so...

that is for sure a difficult situation. I have to describe it later whether to bet in this situation or not. That´s a higher level. We first have to be sure to get the basics.

And a last one:

R       N       F     F2
11     13      10    3    In situations like this you consider having a trigger, as 13=10+3 with difference being 0 and bet the numbers that 
                              have appeared once? I think this counts as trigger...

Regards

That´s wrong.
in the amount of F and the amount of F2 are the same numbers! F = F2+F3+F4+F>4!!!!!!!
A trigger is a "higher Group" and all following groups
This Higher Group has not to be a sum! F is a sum (of all >1)

I hope I could explain clearly in my bad English

br
winkel

[Tucktuckster]

trial   no   0   1   2   3   >3      
1   24   36   1   0   0   0      
2   9   35   2   0   0   0      
3   14   34   3   0   0   0      
4   14   34   2   1   0   0      
5   33   33   3   1   0   0      
6   11   32   4   1   0   0      
7   29   31   5   1   0   0      
8   5   30   6   1   0   0      
9   15   29   7   1   0   0      
10   24   29   6   2   0   0      
11   17   28   7   2   0   0      
12   0   27   8   2   0   0      
13   17   27   7   3   0   0      
14   7   26   8   3   0   0      
15   23   25   9   3   0   0      
16   1   24   10   3   0   0      
17   31   23   11   3   0   0      
18   13   22   12   3   0   0      
19   36   21   13   3   0   0      
20   17   21   13   2   1   0      
21   29   21   12   3   1   0      
22   8   20   13   3   1   0      
23   30   19   14   3   1   0   19 v 18 no bet   
24   10   18   15   3   1   0   since >18 no's   
25   5   18   14   4   1   0      
26   31   18   13   5   1   0      
27   26   17   14   5   1   0      
28   16   16   15   5   1   0   Bet 16 v 15   20
29   6   15   16   5   1   0   win 15 v16   
30   24   15   16   4   2   0      
31   32   14   17   4   2   0      
32   29   14   17   3   3   0      
33   18   13   18   3   3   0      
34   5   13   18   2   4   0      
35   16   13   17   3   4   0      
36   29   13   17   3   3   1      
37   7   13   16   4   3   1      
38   34   12   17   4   3   1      
39   17   12   17   4   2   2      
40   22   11   18   4   2   2      
41   21   10   19   4   2   2      
42   8   10   18   5   2   2      
43   2   9   19   5   2   2      
44   22   9   18   6   2   2      
45   2   9   17   7   2   2      
46   10   9   16   8   2   2      
47   19   8   17   8   2   2      
48   13   8   16   9   2   2      
49   12   7   17   9   2   2      
50   24   7   17   9   1   3      
51   35   6   18   9   1   3      
52   3   5   19   9   1   3      
53   25   4   20   9   1   3      
54   1   4   19   10   1   3      
55   19   4   18   11   1   3      
56   5   4   18   11   0   4      
57   12   4   17   12   0   4   Bet next 17v 16   -17
58   22   4   17   11   1   4   Bet next 17v16   19
59   6   4   16   12   1   4   win 16 v 17   
60   29   4   16   12   1   4      
61   1   4   16   11   2   4      
62   3   4   15   12   2   4      
63   16   4   15   11   3   4      
64   26   4   14   12   3   4      
65   9   4   13   13   3   4   Bet next 13v 13   23
66   11   4   12   14   3   4   win 12 v 14   
67   26   4   12   13   4   4      
68   24   4   12   13   4   4      
69   0   4   11   14   4   4      
70   20   3   12   14   4   4      
71   14   3   12   13   5   4      
72   25   3   11   14   5   4      
73   22   3   11   14   4   5      
74   20   3   10   15   4   5      
75   22   3   10   15   4   5      
76   34   3   9   16   4   5      
77   9   3   9   15   5   5      
78   29   3   9   15   5   5      
79                     P&L TOT   +45


The question is whether we play the 2 & 3 column when they are low such as on spin 32 & 33? Spin 34 would be a win on those?

[Tucktuckster]

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