The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[winkel]

Where can we examine your testing results?


Please be specific.

Thanks!

-Herb

I don't have to proof it is working. YOU have to proof that it isn't and you will fail and find a winning strategy.

By the way: in Germany they call me Professor Plein. You can learn roulette from me.

[Herb]

No, I already proved that it won't work.

You claimed that you had proof showing that it tested positive over 10k spins.  Where's your data?

I can see where this is going.  I'm not going to harrass you for the data because I know you don't have it. 

Best of Luck.

-Herb.

[Panopticon]

Ok with my first two questions. I think I did not place the 3rd question correctly and confused you I meant this:

R       N       F2     F3
11     13      10     3      So here numbers appearing once are 13  and numbers appearing more than once are 10+3=13. So we get a 0 
                                 difference between them. But you say we do not bet here the N right?\

Thanks

[winkel]

32   29   14   17   3   3   0      
33   18   13   18   3   3   0      
34   5   13   18   2   4   0   

   
35   16   13   17   3   4   0      
36   29   13   17   3   3   1   bet  3   
37   7   13   16   4   3   1   bet 4   
38   34   12   17   4   3   1   bet 4   
39   17   12   17   4   2   2   bet 2   
40   22   11   18   4   2   2   bet 2   
41   21   10   19   4   2   2   bet 2   
42   8   10   18   5   2   2   bet 2   
43   2   9   19   5   2   2   bet 2   
44   22   9   18   6   2   2   bet 2   
45   2   9   17   7   2   2   bet 2   
46   10   9   16   8   2   2   bet 2   
47   19   8   17   8   2   2   bet 2   
48   13   8   16   9   2   2   bet 2   
49   12   7   17   9   2   2   bet 2   
50   24   7   17   9   1   3   bet 2 and win 36 total bet -35 = +1   


66   11   4   12   14   3   4      
67   26   4   12   13   4   4      
68   24   4   12   13   4   4      
69   0   4   11   14   4   4      
70   20   3   12   14   4   4      
71   14   3   12   13   5   4      
72   25   3   11   14   5   4      
73   22   3   11   14   4   5      
74   20   3   10   15   4   5      
75   22   3   10   15   4   5      
76   34   3   9   16   4   5      
77   9   3   9   15   5   5      
78   29   3   9   15   5   5      
79                     


The question is whether we play the 2 & 3 column when they are low such as on spin 32 & 33? Spin 34 would be a win on those?

Hi Tuckster,

you really got it in all stages:

look:
32-34: 3 times bet 3 = -9 win +36= +29

36-50: look above as you see that little difference 2 and 2 is not really worth to play especially when the higher Group is so far away. 17 - 3 - 3 better would be e.g. 12 - 9 - 8!!!!!!!!!
67-73: you see same problem as before.

It would be better to start a new selection-count after spin 41, because
0 is only 10
1 is 19
an all F are just 4

this leads to another important hint:

it would need 9 spins with "1"s (N) to go get a crossing between 0 and 1
after 9 R in a row I wouldn´t bet on another 10th R appearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it would need 7 spins of N to come to get a crossing with F (12N - 11F)
after 7 N in a row I wouldn´t bet on another 8th N appearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

br
winkel

[JHM]

Winkel, I'm playing like your post in the first page.

Am I doing something wrong, I did some spins @ dublinbet and lost.

This is my play

Play deleted, to pretend confusion

[winkel]

Ok with my first two questions. I think I did not place the 3rd question correctly and confused you I meant this:

R       N       F2     F3
11     13      10     3      So here numbers appearing once are 13  and numbers appearing more than once are 10+3=13. So we get a 0 
                                 difference between them. But you say we do not bet here the N right?\

Thanks

In your first question there was 10F and 3F2 -> no bet because no trigger (sum)
Now it is 10 F2 and 3 F3 this is definetly a trigger with 13 N

hope you got it.

br
winkel

[winkel]

@JHM

your counting is not correct. Please check with this:

Code Select Expand

[table]
No. R N F
32 36 1 0
18 35 2 0
4 34 3 0
24 33 4 0
16 32 5 0
24 32 4 1
18 32 3 2
23 31 4 2
7 30 5 2
8 29 6 2
6 28 7 2
6 28 6 3
29 27 7 3
6 27 7 3
14 26 8 3
7 26 7 4
8 26 6 5
0 25 7 5
7 25 7 5
0 25 6 6
12 24 7 6
4 24 6 7
26 23 7 7
28 22 8 7
35 21 9 7
9 20 10 7
1 19 11 7
33 18 12 7
20 17 13 7
13 16 14 7
10 15 15 7
1 15 14 8
15 14 15 8
22 13 16 8
18 13 16 8
3 12 17 8
12 12 16 9
8 12 16 9
29 12 15 10
12 12 15 10
36 11 16 10
3 11 15 11
17 10 16 11
16 10 15 12
11 9 16 12
2 8 17 12
25 7 18 12
8 7 18 12
36 7 17 13
17 7 16 14
[/table]

[winkel]

No, I already proved that it won't work.

You claimed that you had proof showing that it tested positive over 10k spins.  Where's your data?

I can see where this is going.  I'm not going to harrass you for the data because I know you don't have it. 

Best of Luck.

-Herb.

Tell me how you want the result?
as print with 5000 pieces of paper
as download with 15GB
as only the result of Plus 163 345
The data is not even on my computer it is the result of a test done by three different computer-freaks

I don´t need to proof every bet, do I?

But even if I send the program and the verified Permanences you would find a argument to be suspicious.

so kiss my ass

[JHM]

I see where it went wrong.

I did

6-27-7-4

You say

6-27-7-3

Numer 6 hitted for the 3th time, so I added one extra to the >1 column. If I understand you right after the 2th hit on an number a 3th hit has no influence on the >1 column?

It doesn't matter if a number hits 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 times?

[winkel]

@JHM

when a number came 2x and appears another time
it is still 1 single number in the amount of the group ">1"

so if there was 20 15 2
and that number that came twice comes once again then we have still
20 15 2

br
winkel

[JHM]

Thanx mate, that´s where I went wrong.

Will check my numbers again tomorrow.

[Panopticon]

Ok with my first two questions. I think I did not place the 3rd question correctly and confused you I meant this:

R       N       F2     F3
11     13      10     3      So here numbers appearing once are 13  and numbers appearing more than once are 10+3=13. So we get a 0 
                                 difference between them. But you say we do not bet here the N right?\

Thanks

In your first question there was 10F and 3F2 -> no bet because no trigger (sum)
Now it is 10 F2 and 3 F3 this is definetly a trigger with 13 N

hope you got it.

br
winkel

Yes my mistake winkel! Thanks again. I hope you get us to advanced level soon 

[Tucktuckster]

trial   res   0   1   2   3   3+   comment   pl
1   15   36   1   0   0   0      
2   4   35   2   0   0   0      
3   9   34   3   0   0   0      
4   27   33   4   0   0   0      
5   34   32   5   0   0   0      
6   13   31   6   0   0   0      
7   27   31   5   1   0   0      
8   4   31   4   2   0   0      
9   14   30   5   2   0   0      
10   18   29   6   2   0   0      
11   13   29   5   3   0   0      
12   8   28   6   3   0   0      
13   25   27   7   3   0   0      
14   11   26   8   3   0   0      
15   28   25   9   3   0   0      
16   30   24   10   3   0   0      
17   15   24   9   4   0   0      
18   21   23   10   4   0   0      
19   30   23   9   5   0   0      
20   7   22   10   5   0   0      
21   35   21   11   5   0   0      
22   3   20   12   5   0   0      
23   9   20   11   6   0   0      
24   17   19   12   6   0   0   19v18 no play - over 18   
25   16   18   13   6   0   0      
26   33   17   14   6   0   0      
27   4   17   14   5   1   0      
28   21   17   13   6   1   0      
29   17   17   12   7   1   0      
30   36   16   13   7   1   0      
31   24   15   14   7   1   0   15v14 bet next spin 15   
32   7   15   13   8   1   0   lose - no bet next   -15
33   24   15   12   9   1   0      
34   36   15   11   10   1   0   11v10 bet 11 next   -11
35   36   15   11   9   2   0   11 v11 another bet?   -11
36   22   14   12   9   2   0   12 v 11 another bet   -12
37   23   13   13   9   2   0   13v13 bet   
38   31   12   14   9   2   0   win   23
39   10   11   15   9   2   0      
40   30   11   15   8   3   0      
41   24   11   15   7   4   0      
42   26   10   16   7   4   0      
43   16   10   15   8   4   0      
44   6   9   16   8   4   0   do you bet the 9v8 crossing?   
45   12   8   17   8   4   0      
46   32   7   18   8   4   0      
47   15   7   18   7   5   0      
48   24   7   18   7   4   1      
49   16   7   18   6   5   1   6v5 crossing?   -6
50   23   7   17   7   5   1   lose - can bet 7 v6   29
51   13   7   17   6   6   1   wins now bet 6v6?   -6
52   25   7   16   7   6   1   lose, rebet 7v6 or 7v7?   -7
53   2   6   17   7   6   1   rebet 7v7 - lose   -7
54   3   6   16   8   6   1   bet 8v7 win   28
55   17   6   16   7   7   1   7v7 = bet?   -7
56   4   6   16   7   6   2   7v6 bet but big bet is 16 v15   20
57   35   6   15   8   6   2   16v15wins, 8v8 now bet?   -8
58   32   6   14   9   6   2   9v8 loses and no bet   -9
59   14   6   13   10   6   2      
60   14   6   13   9   7   2   9v9 bet   -9
61   6   6   12   10   7   2   10v 9 bet loses too   -10
62   8   6   11   11   7   2   bet 11v11 win   25
63   11   6   10   12   7   2      
64   28   6   9   13   7   2      
65   16   6   9   13   6   3      
66   1   5   10   13   6   3      
67   35   5   10   12   7   3      
68   36   5   10   12   6   4      
69   27   5   10   11   7   4   11v11 bet   
70   6   5   10   10   8   4      25
71   16   5   10   10   8   4      
72   35   5   10   10   7   5      
73   32   5   10   9   8   5   9v8bet or 10v9bet?    -10
74   8   5   10   8   9   5   I would do 10v9?   
75   26   5   9   9   9   5   do first 9v9   27
76   34   5   8   10   9   5   10v9   -10
77   18   5   7   11   9   5      
78   36   5   7   11   9   5      
79   32   5   7   11   8   6      
80   23   5   7   10   9   6   10v9   -10
81   8   5   7   10   8   7   8v7   -8
82   22   5   6   11   8   7   8v7   -8
83   16   5   6   11   8   7   8v7   -8
84   16   5   6   11   8   7   8v7   -8
85   27   5   6   11   7   8      28


this gets complex when you have to make decisions. i felt as if i were losing a lot but it ends up positive!

this has legs. more testing required.

[Tucktuckster]

Winkel - can you have a look at my last test.

i will test this baby a lot and i think we will need a test area. first of all though i would like to make sure i am playing right.

[Tucktuckster]

started again for rest of that session......

trial   res   0   1   2   3   3+   comment   pl   
86   23   37   0   0   0   0         
87   35   36   1   0   0   0         
88   33   35   2   0   0   0         
89   6   34   3   0   0   0         
90   6   34   2   1   0   0         
91   31   33   3   1   0   0         
92   35   33   2   2   0   0         
93   15   32   3   2   0   0         
94   8   31   4   2   0   0         
95   8   31   3   3   0   0         
96   36   30   4   3   0   0         
97   18   29   5   3   0   0         
98   32   28   6   3   0   0         
99   13   27   7   3   0   0         
100   9   26   8   3   0   0         
101   32   26   7   4   0   0         
102   30   25   8   4   0   0         
103   9   25   7   5   0   0         
104   31   25   6   6   0   0         
105   13   25   5   7   0   0         
106   12   24   6   7   0   0         
107   7   23   7   7   0   0         
108   29   22   8   7   0   0         
109   16   21   9   7   0   0         
110   24   20   10   7   0   0         
111   14   19   11   7   0   0   19v18 no bet      
112   26   18   12   7   0   0         
113   12   18   11   8   0   0         
114   6   18   11   7   1   0         
115   1   17   12   7   1   0         
116   27   16   13   7   1   0         
117   17   15   14   7   1   0   15v14 bet the 15   win +21   21
118   19   14   15   7   1   0         
119   31   14   15   6   2   0         
120   34   13   16   6   2   0         
121   9   13   16   5   3   0         
122   19   13   15   6   3   0         
123   0   12   16   6   3   0         
124   4   11   17   6   3   0         
125   19   11   17   5   4   0   bet 5v4   lose -5   -5
126   15   11   16   6   4   0         
127   25   10   17   6   4   0         
128   6   10   17   6   3   1         
129   31   10   17   6   2   2   2v2 - not worth it leave?      
130   6   10   17   6   2   2         
131   28   9   18   6   2   2         
132   34   9   17   7   2   2         
133   15   9   17   6   3   2   6v5 bet?   lose -6   -6
134   26   9   16   7   3   2         
135   15   9   16   7   2   3         
136   36   9   15   8   2   3         
137   17   9   14   9   2   3   14v14 bet 14   lose -14   -14
138   36   9   14   8   3   3   14v14 bet 14   lose -14   -14
139   34   9   14   7   4   3   14v14 bet 14   win +22   22
140   16   9   13   8   4   3   would we bet the third one? Stop after 2 or 3?      
141   21   8   14   8   4   3         
142   33   8   13   9   4   3         
143   29   8   12   10   4   3         
144   4   8   11   11   4   3   11v11 bet   lose   -11
145   32   8   11   10   5   3   11 v 10 bet   lose   -11
146   14   8   10   11   5   3   11 v 10 bet   win   25
147   25   8   9   12   5   3         
148   35   8   9   11   6   3         
149   1   8   8   12   6   3   would you now rebet the 8v8?      
150   28   8   7   13   6   3   and now the 8v7?      
151   16   8   7   12   7   3         
152   34   8   7   12   6   4         
153   18   8   6   13   6   4         
154   6   8   6   13   6   4         
155   25   8   6   12   7   4   bet 12v11 - don't know result!      
                     total p&l for what seemed a bad session      7

[Tucktuckster]

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