The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[TwoCatSam]

Dissenting opinions should not be modified or deleted.  I don't always agree with bj, but he is polite and I can't recall him making personal statements.  The word "crap" is not that bad and if you took that out, you would have a pure dissenting opinion.

We should all have the right to respectfully disagree.

Sam

[Natural9]

Dissenting opinions should not be modified or deleted.  I don't always agree with bj, but he is polite and I can't recall him making personal statements.  The word "crap" is not that bad and if you took that out, you would have a pure dissenting opinion.

We should all have the right to respectfully disagree.

Sam

Very True Sam but disenting for sake of disenting is rubbish if he wants prove that it dont work then let him but at least show us some evidence there are to many testers in here proving this thing is working

Winkel isnt selling anything he put up his method free of charge  i think he should  keep comments to himself saying it crap and all .like i said show us the evidence of it failing somewhere

Who believes that it doesnt work  because so far at least it is proving itself with good results

I thank you Winkel for your idea, win lose or draw but I think it win not lose or draw

Anyhow my 2 cents worth

Regards Rodney

[TwoCatSam]

Natural

Let's examine this:  disenting for sake of disenting is rubbish 

Someone has to be put in the position of deciding he is dissenting just to be a dissenter.  Maybe he is; maybe he isn't.  And what if he is? 

Words can spur people on to greatness!

Someone criticized Michael Phelps during the Olympics.  He stated that the criticism just firmed his resolve.

We all know when a new idea comes along, someone is going to poo-poo it.  Ever hear of "Fulton's Folly"?  But steamboats became a reality.  Did you know Elias Howe invented the sewing machine because his wife complained so about hand stitching? 

I'd love for these Joe Negative's to say, "Well, that won't work but this will." 

But, hey, let's face reality!!  If someone found the "Holy Grail", what would we do to amuse ourselves??

Oh, yeah, there is that pesky perpetual motion machine......

Sam

[winkel]

@all

in all public forums around the world it´s all the same:

There´s always someone who spreads in every thread that nothing will work.
There´s always someone who doesn´t understand anything even if the rule is: Bet always on Red
There´s always someone who appears after 2500 posts: Can anyone explain it to me
There´s always someone who appears after 2500 tests: can anyone proof that it is winning
There´s always someone who appears asking for a code for it written for free by someone else
There´s always someone who appears and is blaming the author being a burglar

And at least there is someone is is bored of all this: That´s me!

I never forced someone to read this
I never asked for money
I never spammed anyone by mail or PM
I gave always everything for free
I didn´t never ever hide any hint that is necessary for the game
I´ve answered always every sensefull question

Who wants to test it, may test it
Who wants to play it, may play it
Who wants to proof it, may proof it (winning or loosing)

so what?

winkel

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

You ARE appreciated!  Your work is appreciated.  Your sharing, teaching attitude is appreciated.  I agree, there are some people so lazy if you gave them the "Holy Grail" they would gripe because they had to drive to the local casino or log onto the computer.

But MOST of us are not that way.  There are some hard workers on these forums who put in a lot of hours.  They are your students.

Sam

[Coxx16]

Hi Winkel,


I'm a new member here , so its not as if my words carry much weight yet. I just wanted to say that the time and effort that you put into this system is absolutely awesome. It is even better that you don't charge for the system. Also you have patiently been taking your personal time to answer our questions! You are truely a stand up guy!

I just wanted to say thank you!


Coxx16

[bjb007]

Disent for the sake of disenting?

Not me.

What I see is a lot of posts from people
trying to understand this "system" and
not doing so.

Seems that if it had some logical basis it
would be easy to understand.

Got to be something wrong if it takes fifteen
pages to get the message across.

[winkel]

Disent for the sake of disenting?

Not me.

What I see is a lot of posts from people
trying to understand this "system" and
not doing so.

Seems that if it had some logical basis it
would be easy to understand.

Got to be something wrong if it takes fifteen
pages to get the message across.

If people post they wouldn´t understand and don´t read the first artikel of this thread I can´t help anyway.

"I don´t understand" is not a question. Only questions can be answered.

Maybe it is so complicate to some people because it is pure logic.

so for You and all others the first post again in most simple words:

we have 37(38) numbers on the wheel. OK?
after the first spin we have 1 appeared and 36(37) not appeared (thats logical enough?)
with the second spin we count again
if a second number appeares we have 2 and 35(36) if the same number comes again we still have 1-36! do you agree and understand?

If you proceed this counting you will get at any time druing wathing a situation where you have
19 numbers that didn´t appear yet, and 18 numbers that have appeared once or more. Is that believable?

This is the first possible "crossing", but is not recommended to play.

All possible crossing that can be played:
18-17
17-17
17-16
16-16
16-15
please get the logic in it and fill the row by yourself downwords to 1-0

we have these crossings between
0 - 1 (numbers did´t appeare and numbers appeared "once") also called "0" or "R" and N or "1"
0 - >0 numbers that did´nt appear and numbers that appeared)  once and more than once
1 - >1 numbers appeared once and numbers appeared more than once
2 - >2 numbers appeared twice and numbers appeared more than twice.

We bet when a crossing is in sight.

a crossing is in sight, when the difference between two charcteristics is 0 or 1 (see list above)

so what did you not understand?
Please ask?
Where are you missing the logic?
Did you use the programm I gave the link on top of this page?
Did you see the diagram of the binomial deviation? Do you know what this is?
Can you read a diagram?
Did you see the crossings between the lines?
Can you speak and read English?

[winkel]

This is a test of 100 permanences.

the result of the first 50 is this:

The results are strictly made by this rules:
played is always only the first crossing after crossing 19-18
played until win
played maximum bet-length (2x or 3x - see above)

19-18proof : this is to show why this cross is not recommended for betting

Code Select Expand

Perm 1.Cross w/l tot 19-18 proof
1 10N-9F 26 26 win in 2.
2 9N-8F 18 44 win in 2.
3 9N-8F -9 35 win in 2.
4 11R-10N 25 60 win in 2.
5 11N-10F 25 85 win in 2.
6 11N-10F -11 74 win in 2.
7 14R-14N -28 46 win in 2.
8 14R-13N -14 32 win in 2.
9 15R-14N -15 17 win in 2.
10 15R-14N -15 2 win in 2.
11 15R-14N -15 -13 win in 2.
12 11N-11F 3 -10 win in 1.
13 11N-11F 14 4 win in 1.
14 10N-9F 15 19 win in 2.
15 10N-10F 4 23 win in 1.
16 11N-10F -22 1 win in 1.
17 11N-10F -22 -21 win in 1.
18 14R-14N 22 1 win in 1.
19 15R-14N 21 22 win in 1.
20 15R-14N 21 43 win in 1.
21 16R-15N -32 11 win in 1.
22 15R-14N 21 32 win in 3.
23 15R-14N 6 38 win in 3.
24 15R-14N 6 44 win in 3.
25 15R-15N 6 50 win in 3.
26 15R-15N 6 56 win in 4.
27 16R-15N 4 60 win in 4.
28 16R-15N 4 64 win in 1.
29 16R-15N 20 84 win in 1.
30 16R-16N 20 104 win in 1.
31 17R-16N 2 106 win in 1.
32 17R-16N 19 125 win in 2.
33 17R-16N 19 144 win in 2.
34 17R-16N 19 163 win in 2.
35 17R-16N 19 182 win in 1.
36 17R-16N 19 201 win in 1.
37 17R-16N 19 220 win in 1.
38 17R-16N -17 203 win in 1.
39 17R-16N 19 222 win in 1.
40 17R-16N -17 205 win in 1.
41 17R-17N 2 207 win in 1.
42 17R-16N -17 190 win in 1.
43 16R-15N 20 210 win in 2.
44 16R-15N 20 230 win in 2.
45 16R-15N 20 250 win in 3.
46 16R-15N 20 270 win in 3.
47 16R-16N 20 290 win in 1.
48 16R-16N 20 310 win in 2.
49 17R-16N 19 329 win in 2.
50 17R-17N 19 348 win in 2.


[droidman]

Hi, thanks for the system!

I'd like to improve my little program. Which crossings have the most importance, so I can display just them? So far I've noticed these appear most frequently:

between 0 and >=1
between 0 and =1
between 1 and >=2

Are there any others?

[winkel]

Hi droidman,

first of all thanks for your program. Your selection is right. Perhaps add this one: "0" and ">1" (R vs F) the group to play is "0" or "R"

But here the next 44 perms (I ran out of numbers so I didn´t get to 100, sorry.

Code Select Expand

51 17R-17N 19 367 win in 1.
52 18R-17N 18 385 win in 1.
53 18R-18N 18 403 win in 1.
54 18R-18N 18 421 win in 1.
55 18R-18N -36 385 win in 1.
56 18R-18N -36 349 win in 1.
57 17R-17N 19 368 win in 4.
58 17R-17N 2 370 win in 1.
59 17R-16N 19 389 win in 1.
60 17R-16N -17 372 win in 2.
61 17R-16N -17 355 win in 2.
62 16R-15N 20 375 win in 1.
63 17R-16N -17 358 win in 1.
64 17R-16N 19 377 win in 2.
65 17R-17N 19 396 win in 2.
66 17R-17N 19 415 win in 1.
67 17R-17N 19 434 win in 1.
68 17R-17N 19 453 win in 1.
69 18R-17N 18 471 win in 1.
70 18R-18N 18 489 win in 1.
71 18R-18N 18 507 win in 1.
72 11R-10F 14 521 win in 1.
73 16R-16N 4 525 win in 1.
74 18R-18N 18 543 win in 1.
75 18R-18N -36 507 win in 2.
76 11N-11F 1 508 win in 6.
77 16R-15N -16 492 win in 4.
78 11N-10F -11 481 win in 2.
79 14R-13N 22 503 win in 2.
80 14R-13N 22 525 win in 2.
81 11N-10F -33 492 win in 5.
82 11N-10F -33 459 win in 4.
83 14R-14N 22 481 win in 5.
84 15R-14N 21 502 win in 5.
85 15R-15N 21 523 win in 1.
86 15R-15N 21 544 win in 3.
87 15R-15N 21 565 win in 2.
88 15R-15N 21 586 win in 2.
89 15R-15N -30 556 win in 3.
90 15R-15N -30 526 win in 3.
91 15R-15N -30 496 win in 1.
92 15R-14N 21 517 win in 1.
93 15R-14N -15 502 win in 1.
94 15R-14N -15 487 win in 1.


[winkel]

[madupz4]

Winkel,

I practiced with your software last night for 2+ hrs and I was never able to make any progress.  I would win, then my losses would wipe out any profits and I was constantly running in place.  I would have a win, then I would get to 17-17 lose, then I would get to 17-16 and lose again.  I would then reset to previous 18 numbers and I would get a win at 17-16, then I would wait and later get to back to back losses at 15-15 then 15-14.  It went on like this over and over and I was never able to get ahead.  What am I doing wrong here?

[winkel]

Hi mad,

please give me the numbers you played with, otherwise I cannot explain.

br
winkel

[madupz4]

Winkel,

This is one example where I would win and be in the positive, but then end up right back where I started.  This happened several times but this is my only recorded example of the event.

number    result   0   1   2   3       >3
1   29   36   1         
2   12   35   2         
3   5   34   3         
4   4   33   4         
5   31   32   5         
6   36   31   6         
7   24   30   7         
8   22   29   8         
9   18   28   9         
10   3   27   10         
11   33   26   11         
12   6   25   12         
13   31   25   11   1      
14   4   25   10   2      
15   12   25   9   3      
16   7   24   10   3   
17   20   23   11   3   
18   3   23   10   4   
19   1   22   11   4   
20   30   21   12   4   
21   14   20   13   4   
22   32   19   14   4   
23   36   19   13   5   
24   25   18   14   5   
25   2   17   15   5   
26   2   17   14   6   
27   0   16   15   6   
28   33   16   14   7   
29   17   15   15   7   bet
30   23   14   16   7   win
31   12   14   16   6   1
32   0   14   15   7   1         
33   20   14   14   8   1   bet      
24   27   13   15   8   1   win      
35   32   13   14   9   1         
36   34   12   15   9   1         
37   30   12   14   10   1         
38   32   12   14   9   2         
39   20   12   14   8   3         
40   10   11   15   8   3         
41   10   11   14   9   3         
42   30   11   14   8   4         
43   23   11   13   9   4   bet 13v13(1v >1)   
44   3   11   13   8   5   lost bet 13v13 again(1v>1)
45   8   10   14   8   5   back to original balance      

[madupz4]

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