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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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winkel

to natural

15 1 0 0 0 / 0 0 25 9 3
16 4 0 0 2 / 0 0 25 9 3
17 3 0 0 0 / 0 0 24 10 3
18 34 0 0 0 / 0 0 23 11 3
19 30 0 0 0 / 0 0 22 12 3
20 7 0 0 0 / 0 0 21 13 3
21 14 0 0 0 / 0 0 20 14 3
22 28 0 0 0 / 0 0 19 15 3
23 13 0 0 0 / 0 0 18 16 3
24 21 0 0 / 0 0 17 17 3
25 4 0 2 / 0 0 17 17 3
26 30 rr 17 1 V -17 -17 17 16 4
27 7 rr 17 1 V -17 -34 17 15 5
28 24 0 1 / 0 -34 17 14 6
29 26 0 0 / 0 -34 16 15 6
30 35 rr 16 0 G 20 -14 15 16 6
31 29 0 0 / 0 -14 14 17 6
32 36 0 1 / 0 -14 14 16 7


read my answer to tucktuckster and than lokk at the result!

You see after spin 16 there came 8 "0" in a row!!!!!!!! In such a situation a bet is not recommended. Even the bet in spin 30 is a high risc,
But this is what you only can see if you execise. I would have stopped after win in spin 30 and restarted.

So: if you find a crossing always check how often the group to bet has appeared in the last few spins.
Best situation is one or two hits of every group

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winkel

madupz4

Winkel,

I had a bad session, lost more than I won.  I was using these 4 triggers:
0 vs 1
1 vs >1
0 vs >1
1 vs 2

Is it better to use: (?)

1st stage:   0 vs. 1
2nd stage:  1 vs. 1>
3rd stage:   2 vs. 2>
4th stage:   3 vs. 3>

-instead of betting on 0 vs.>1 and 1 vs. 2 ?

winkel

Hi madupz,

I can´t answer properly if you don´t give me the numbers you did bet on.

And I repeat: There are always sessions you loose. this is not an always winning strategy. But it wins in long-term and it doesn´t eat up your bankroll.

The problem is never the trigger you decide to play, it is always what happened just before the trigger appears.

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winkel

ernesto

Hello Winkel!

You play and test this system with a thousands of spins.
Have you ever found a trigger, or 0x - 1x - >1x combination, or some rare event which give you more chance to win?
For example: you have four times 0x-15 and 1x-14. So maybe we have more chance to 0x change to 14. Probably this idea is wrong.
In my few test it didn't work, and you have to wait lot of spin.
I want to found some rare, but starnger trigger with a little more chance. But it is not easy if it not impossible, because your system base is the binomial distribution.
What do you think?

thanks
ernesto

winkel

Hi ernesto,

QuoteI want to found some rare, but starnger trigger with a little more chance.

Then you will sit for weeks at the table waiting for this trigger to come. In between you see all the other triggers win you didn´t bet.

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winkel


ernesto

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 08:00:08 AM

Then you will sit for weeks at the table waiting for this trigger to come. In between you see all the other triggers win you didn´t bet.


Yes, you are right!
But if you have enough fast live spins, you don't select the stronger triggers, if possible?
Just for theoretically.

ernesto

winkel

Hi ernesto,

if there would be a "stronger" trigger the system wouldn´t work.

except: if you had played 3 times the "0" vs "1" than of course the "1" vs ">1" would be the stronger trigger:
e.g. 13 12 12

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winkel

ernesto

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 08:23:48 AM
if there would be a "stronger" trigger the system wouldn´t work.

Thats true.

Thanks Winkel!
ernesto

madupz4

Winkel,

I keep losing my starting bankroll and i'm not going into profit.  How can I copy my results to show you after they are entered into your software?

winkel


madupz4


madupz4

Winkel,

Here is a test I just ran of 112 numbers.  This is exactly how I played every other session and although this session was not as bad as the others it still didn't end in the positive.  Most of my other sessions were deep into the negative on average of negative -75 units.  Please let me know what you think, if I am doing this correctly.

[table=,]
#, Result, 0,1,2,3,3>
1,4,36,1,0,0,0
2,24,35,2,0,0,0
3,2,34,3,0,0,0
4,11,33,4,0,0,0
5,36,32,5,0,0,0
6,34,31,6,0,0,0
7,24,31,5,1,0,0
8,26,30,6,1,0,0
9,32,29,7,1,0,0
10,9,28,8,1,0,0
11,11,28,7,2,0,0
12,1,27,8,2,0,0
13,10,26,9,2,0,0
14,8,25,10,2,0,0
15,6,24,11,2,0,0
16,29,23,12,2,0,0
17,7,22,13,2,0,0
18,21,21,14,2,0,0
19,20,20,15,2,0,0
20,35,19,16,2,0,0
21,10,19,15,3,0,0
22,12,18,16,3,0,0
23,27,17,17,3,0,0, Bet (Lost) -17
24,10,17,17,2,1,0, Bet (won) +19
25,33,16,18,2,1,0
26,18,15,19,2,1,0
27,26,15,18,3,1,0
28,11,15,18,2,2,0
29,3,14,19,2,2,0
30,17,13,20,2,2,0
31,15,12,21,2,2,0
32,13,11,22,2,2,0
33,33,11,21,3,2,0
34,17,11,20,4,2,0
35,4,11,19,5,2,0
36,31,10,20,5,2,0
37,24,10,20,4,3,0
38,32,10,19,5,3,0
39,0,9,20,5,3,0, Bet (0vs.1>) Won +27
40,14,8,21,5,3,0
41,32,8,21,4,4,0
42,6,8,20,5,4,0
43,11,8,20,5,3,0
44,31,8,19,6,3,1
45,32,8,19,6,2,2
46,31,8,19,5,3,2
47,4,8,19,4,4,2
48,26,8,19,3,5,2
49,21,8,18,4,5,2
50,8,8,17,5,5,2
51,36,8,16,6,5,2
52,33,8,16,5,6,2
53,3,8,15,6,6,2, Bet (1vs.1>) Win +21
54,20,8,14,7,6,2
55,31,8,14,7,5,3
56,30,7,15,7,5,3
57,17,7,15,6,6,3
58,23,6,16,6,6,3
59,10,6,16,6,5,4
60,0,6,15,7,5,4
61,18,6,14,8,5,4
62,1,6,13,9,5,4
63,5,5,14,9,5,4
64,28,4,15,9,5,4
65,18,4,15,8,6,4
66,5,4,14,9,6,4
67,12,4,13,10,6,4
68,17,4,13,10,5,5
69,22,3,14,10,5,5
70,33,3,14,10,4,6
71,23,3,13,11,4,6
72,28,3,12,12,4,6, Bet (1v.2) Lost -12
73,36,3,12,11,5,6, Bet (1v.2) Lost -12
74,19,2,13,11,5,6
[/table]
-reset back 18
[table=,]
#, Result, 0,1,2,3,3>
18,19,24,8,5,0,0
19,8,23,9,5,0,0
20,3,22,10,5,0,0
21,36,22,9,6,0,0
22,0,22,8,7,0,0
23,8,22,7,8,0,0
24,24,21,8,8,0,0
25,30,20,9,8,0,0
26,16,19,10,8,0,0
27,21,18,11,8,0,0
28,2,17,12,8,0,0
29,12,17,11,9,0,0
30,20,16,12,9,0,0
31,25,15,13,9,0,0
32,16,15,12,10,0,0
33,1,15,11,11,0,0
34,25,15,10,12,0,0
35,14,14,11,12,0,0
36,31,13,12,12,0,0, Bet (0v.1) Lost -13
37,16,13,12,11,1,0, Bet (0v.1) Lost -13
38,19,13,11,12,1,0
[/table]

After 112 spins my end result is even.  This is what I mean by it seems like I am running in place, not getting anywhere.  Most other times I ended up -75 in the negative.  I'm not going into the positive on a consistent basis.

What do you think?





winkel

Hi madupzm

don´t play that long!!!!!
maximum up to 50 spins!
Why didn´t you reset after spin 39?

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winkel

madupz4

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 05:36:06 PM
Hi madupzm

don´t play that long!!!!!
maximum up to 50 spins!
Why didn´t you reset after spin 39?

br
winkel


I played that long because I used 4 different triggers each time.  Why would I reset after 50 spins when I haven't had the opportunity to use the other 2 triggers?  Are you saying play till 50 spins then reset back to 18 each and every time?

If we only play to 50 spins then we will never have the opportunity to use any other trigger than 0vs.1 or maybe 0vs.1>, How will we ever use 1vs.1> or 1vs.2 which usually don't come untill way after spin 50?

winkel

Game 1

1 4 36 1 0
2 24 35 2 0
3 2 34 3 0
4 11 33 4 0
5 36 32 5 0
6 34 31 6 0
7 24 31 5 1
8 26 30 6 1
9 32 29 7 1
10 9 28 8 1
11 11 28 7 2
12 1 27 8 2
13 10 26 9 2
14 8 0 25 10 2
15 6 0 24 11 2
16 29 0 23 12 2
17 7 0 22 13 2
18 21 0 21 14 2
19 20 0 20 15 2
20 35 0 19 16 2
21 10 0 19 15 3
22 12 0 18 16 3
23 27 0 17 17 3
24 10 rr -17 17 17 3
25 33 rr 2 16 18 3
26 18 2 15 19 3
27 26 2 15 18 4
28 11 2 15 18 4
29 3 2 14 19 4
30 17 2 13 20 4
31 15 2 12 21 4
32 13 2 11 22 4
33 33 2 11 21 5
34 17 2 11 20 6
35 4 2 11 19 7
36 31 2 10 20 7
37 24 2 10 20 7
38 32 2 10 19 8
39 0 2 9 20 8
40 14 rr 29 8 21 8


game 2
1 12 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 10 34 3 0
4 33 33 4 0
5 18 32 5 0
6 26 31 6 0
7 11 30 7 0
8 3 29 8 0
9 17 28 9 0
10 15 27 10 0
11 13 26 11 0
12 33 26 10 1
13 17 26 9 2
14 4 0 25 10 2
15 31 0 24 11 2
16 24 0 23 12 2
17 32 0 22 13 2
18 0 0 21 14 2
19 14 0 20 15 2
20 32 0 20 14 3
21 6 0 19 15 3
22 11 0 19 14 4
23 31 0 19 13 5
24 32 0 19 13 5
25 31 0 19 13 5
26 4 0 19 12 6
27 26 0 19 11 7
28 21 0 18 12 7
29 8 0 17 13 7
30 36 0 16 14 7
31 33 0 16 14 7
32 3 0 16 13 8
33 20 0 15 14 8
34 31 rr -15 15 14 8
35 30 rr 6 14 15 8
36 17 6 14 15 8
37 6 6 14 14 9
38 33 rr -8 14 14 9
39 35 rr 14 13 15 9


game 3
1 6 36 1 0
2 11 35 2 0
3 31 34 3 0
4 32 33 4 0
5 31 33 3 1
6 4 32 4 1
7 26 31 5 1
8 21 30 6 1
9 8 29 7 1
10 36 28 8 1
11 33 27 9 1
12 3 26 10 1
13 20 25 11 1
14 31 0 25 11 1
15 30 0 24 12 1
16 17 0 23 13 1
17 6 0 23 12 2
18 33 0 23 11 3
19 35 0 22 12 3
20 18 0 21 13 3
21 1 0 20 14 3
22 10 0 19 15 3
23 28 0 18 16 3
24 18 0 18 15 4
25 5 0 17 16 4
26 12 rr 19 16 17 4
27 17 19 16 16 5
28 22 rr 39 15 17 5
29 33 39 15 17 5
30 2 39 14 18 5
31 11 39 14 17 6
32 8 39 14 16 7
33 30 39 14 15 8
34 10 39 14 14 9
35 22 rr 25 14 13 10
36 19 rr 47 13 14 10


29+14+47=+90

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winkel

winkel

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