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The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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winkel

It is no must to use all triggers.
Feel free to restart if you loose
Feel free to restart when you had a early win
Feel free to restart when you started with a loss and win that brought you nearly back to +-0 or small win.

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winkel

madupz4

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
It is no must to use all triggers.
Feel free to restart if you loose
Feel free to restart when you had a early win
Feel free to restart when you started with a loss and win that brought you nearly back to +-0 or small win.

br
winkel


I see, but then most likely if we are constantly restarting, the only triggers we will be using is 0 vs. 1 and maybe
0 vs. 1> correct?  The other triggers don't happen until around spin 75 and after!

winkel

Quote from: madupz4 on September 02, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
The other triggers don't happen until around spin 75 and after!

thats not true. in 50 spins you have often all triggers.

madupz4

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 05:51:34 PM
Game 1

1 4 36 1 0
2 24 35 2 0
3 2 34 3 0
4 11 33 4 0
5 36 32 5 0
6 34 31 6 0
7 24 31 5 1
8 26 30 6 1
9 32 29 7 1
10 9 28 8 1
11 11 28 7 2
12 1 27 8 2
13 10 26 9 2
14 8 0 25 10 2
15 6 0 24 11 2
16 29 0 23 12 2
17 7 0 22 13 2
18 21 0 21 14 2
19 20 0 20 15 2
20 35 0 19 16 2
21 10 0 19 15 3
22 12 0 18 16 3
23 27 0 17 17 3
24 10 rr -17 17 17 3
25 33 rr 2 16 18 3
26 18 2 15 19 3
27 26 2 15 18 4
28 11 2 15 18 4
29 3 2 14 19 4
30 17 2 13 20 4
31 15 2 12 21 4
32 13 2 11 22 4
33 33 2 11 21 5
34 17 2 11 20 6
35 4 2 11 19 7
36 31 2 10 20 7
37 24 2 10 20 7
38 32 2 10 19 8
39 0 2 9 20 8
40 14 rr 29 8 21 8


game 2
1 12 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 10 34 3 0
4 33 33 4 0
5 18 32 5 0
6 26 31 6 0
7 11 30 7 0
8 3 29 8 0
9 17 28 9 0
10 15 27 10 0
11 13 26 11 0
12 33 26 10 1
13 17 26 9 2
14 4 0 25 10 2
15 31 0 24 11 2
16 24 0 23 12 2
17 32 0 22 13 2
18 0 0 21 14 2
19 14 0 20 15 2
20 32 0 20 14 3
21 6 0 19 15 3
22 11 0 19 14 4
23 31 0 19 13 5
24 32 0 19 13 5
25 31 0 19 13 5
26 4 0 19 12 6
27 26 0 19 11 7
28 21 0 18 12 7
29 8 0 17 13 7
30 36 0 16 14 7
31 33 0 16 14 7
32 3 0 16 13 8
33 20 0 15 14 8
34 31 rr -15 15 14 8
35 30 rr 6 14 15 8
36 17 6 14 15 8
37 6 6 14 14 9
38 33 rr -8 14 14 9
39 35 rr 14 13 15 9


game 3
1 6 36 1 0
2 11 35 2 0
3 31 34 3 0
4 32 33 4 0
5 31 33 3 1
6 4 32 4 1
7 26 31 5 1
8 21 30 6 1
9 8 29 7 1
10 36 28 8 1
11 33 27 9 1
12 3 26 10 1
13 20 25 11 1
14 31 0 25 11 1
15 30 0 24 12 1
16 17 0 23 13 1
17 6 0 23 12 2
18 33 0 23 11 3
19 35 0 22 12 3
20 18 0 21 13 3
21 1 0 20 14 3
22 10 0 19 15 3
23 28 0 18 16 3
24 18 0 18 15 4
25 5 0 17 16 4
26 12 rr 19 16 17 4
27 17 19 16 16 5
28 22 rr 39 15 17 5
29 33 39 15 17 5
30 2 39 14 18 5
31 11 39 14 17 6
32 8 39 14 16 7
33 30 39 14 15 8
34 10 39 14 14 9
35 22 rr 25 14 13 10
36 19 rr 47 13 14 10


29+14+47=+90

br
winkel

I have no Idea where you got +29 in game 1!  You only have 1 trigger, spin #24? = +17

24   10   rr   -17    17   17   3
25   33   rr   2    16   18   3
26   18      2    15   19   3
27   26      2    15   18   4
28   11      2    15   18   4
29   3      2    14   19   4
30   17      2    13   20   4
31   15      2    12   21   4
32   13      2    11   22   4
33   33      2    11   21   5
34   17      2    11   20   6
35   4      2    11   19   7
36   31      2    10   20   7
37   24      2    10   20   7
38   32      2    10   19   8
39   0      2    9   20   8
40   14   rr   29    8   21   8

Starting with spin #25 to spin # 39 where are you getting all of these "2's?"  You don't have a trigger to bet, and how are you accumulating +2 on every spin?

winkel

I have 9 "0" and 8 ">1" in spin 39

the 2s are the total-sum which doesn´t change as long there is no bet.

br
winkel

madupz4

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 06:43:27 PM
I have 9 "0" and 8 ">1" in spin 39

the 2s are the total-sum which doesn´t change as long there is no bet.

br
winkel

Ok understood, But

In game 3 at spin number 25: you bet 19, you won! Then there was another trigger right after and you bet again and won again for a profit of +39.  Why did you bet a second time when you were already ahead +19?  Isn't that risky?  Why didn't you take your profit and start over?  After you won 2x in a row (+39) you still continued and bet again on spin 34?  Why?

Game 3:
25   5      0    17   16   4
26   12   rr   19    16   17   4
27   17      19    16   16   5
28   22   rr   39    15   17   5
29   33      39    15   17   5
30   2      39    14   18   5
31   11      39    14   17   6
32   8      39    14   16   7
33   30      39    14   15   8
34   10      39    14   14   9
35   22   rr   25    14   13   10
36   19   rr   47    13   14   10

winkel

Remember:

The idea of the game is to watch what is going on.

As I wrote: When you jump back 19 spins you have time enough to make new statistics. When I play in OC´s I have an excel-sheet that allows me to jump even one spin back or any other amount.

In a minute i will give you the results as if I had started new after last bet.

QuoteWhy didn't you take your profit and start over?  After you won 2x in a row (+39) you still continued and bet again on spin 34?  Why?

because this was a row which followed absolutely the binomial-deviation.

game3
spin 22 a "0"
spin 23 a "0"
spin 24 a "1"
spin 25 a "0"
spin 26 a "0"
spin 27 a "1"
do you see a rhythm?

then 6x no "0" and a trigger came to bet on "0"!

br
winkel

madupz4

also, In game 2 my spins are different from what you posted.

You wrote:
33   20      0    15   14   8
34   31   rr   -15    15   14   8
35   30   rr   6    14   15   8
36   17      6    14   15   8
37   6      6    14   14   9
38   33   rr   -8    14   14   9
39   35   rr   14    13   15   9

But my results after your spin 36 are below:
54 20 8 14 7 6 2
55 31 8 14 7 5 3
56 30 7 15 7 5 3
57 17 7 15 6 6 3
58 23 6 16 6 6 3
59 10 6 16 6 5 4
60 0 6 15 7 5 4
61 18 6 14 8 5 4

Where did you come up with those numbers?  That is not what I origionally posted?

winkel

1 12 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 10 34 3 0
4 33 33 4 0
5 18 32 5 0
6 26 31 6 0
7 11 30 7 0
8 3 29 8 0
9 17 28 9 0
10 15 27 10 0
11 13 26 11 0
12 33 26 10 1
13 17 26 9 2
14 4 0 25 10 2
15 31 0 24 11 2
16 24 0 23 12 2
17 32 0 22 13 2
18 0 0 21 14 2
19 14 0 20 15 2
20 32 0 20 14 3
21 6 0 19 15 3
22 11 0 19 14 4
23 31 0 19 13 5
24 32 0 19 13 5
25 31 0 19 13 5
26 4 0 19 12 6
27 26 0 19 11 7
28 21 0 18 12 7
29 8 0 17 13 7
30 36 0 16 14 7
31 33 0 16 14 7
32 3 0 16 13 8
33 20 0 15 14 8
34 31 rr -15 15 14 8
35 30 rr 6 14 15 8
36 17 6 14 15 8
37 23 6 13 16 8
38 10 6 13 15 9
39 0 6 13 14 10
40 18 6 13 13 11
41 1 rr 29 12 14 11


mistake in formula
revised see above

br
winkel

madupz4

Quote from: winkel on September 02, 2008, 07:53:21 PM
Remember:

The idea of the game is to watch what is going on.

As I wrote: When you jump back 19 spins you have time enough to make new statistics. When I play in OC´s I have an excel-sheet that allows me to jump even one spin back or any other amount.

In a minute I will give you the results as if I had started new after last bet.

QuoteWhy didn't you take your profit and start over?  After you won 2x in a row (+39) you still continued and bet again on spin 34?  Why?

because this was a row which followed absolutely the binomial-deviation.

game3
spin 22 a "0"
spin 23 a "0"
spin 24 a "1"
spin 25 a "0"
spin 26 a "0"
spin 27 a "1"
do you see a rhythm?

then 6x no "0" and a trigger came to bet on "0"!

br
winkel


Winkel,

Yes I see the rhythm in that particular instance, but other times I also see patterns and "rhythm's" and try to make the appropriate bet (i.e. 0 or 1) and it fails.  At times it's almost a guessing game with no clear cut rules.  I tried another test of 50 spins and it resulted in -50 units.  I have no doubt that you are winning with this system, but wouldn't the "Grail" be a system with easy to follow, clear cut rules (no predictions) with a steady consistent profit?  It seems like the G.U.T. works at times but is not consistent and requires many human predictions to be successful. (Like predicting when to bet on the approprate trigger)

droidman

Hi winkel

You have an excel sheet?  Jumping back with my program is so awkward, please share your excel sheet with me?

thanks.

ernesto

Hi Winkel!

When you play only 12 numbers, you can play three times in a row, if you still have trigger, right?
So if you loose the first and the second, you can get balance again if the third win.
But you wrote this earlier:

Quote
as I said in one of my plays: I don#t like to bet the same trigger-situation 3 times in a row.

So how do you handle if you have 12 or less number, but you have exactly the same trigger-situation three times in a row?

ernesto

winkel

Hi ernesto,

to play a trigger three times :
17 - 17 on 0vs1
15 - 15 on 0vs1
13 - 13 on 0vs1

but: bet as long as a bet can equal or give you a win
17-13 bet twice
12-10 bet three times
9 or less you can bet 4 times

winkel

Quotebut wouldn't the "Grail" be a system with easy to follow, clear cut rules (no predictions) with a steady consistent profit?

In a game where the house edge is that high you can´t find a rule like "bet Red after Black"

As I said:
You have a trigger that comes without doubt
that crosses more often than it didn´t
You just have to take contol of the things that are goeing on.
You have to dedide when to stopp and when to proceed.

It´s like driving a car: The machine works at it´s best, but if you don´t have your hands on the wheel the next tree kills you.
Or it´s like playing chess: The rules are clear cut! But that won´t make you win!

br
winkel

Why do people always think that it would/could/must be easy to beat roulette and house edge at the same time?

bobco

Thank you Winkel for this 'system'. I noticed madzup played 0 - 1 >. So this is also a possible bet? Thought 0 just could be played against 1.
Live play takes some time. Has anyone tried it with RNG?

bobco

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