The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[purple]

I second what Chips has said.

The attack on Winkel was really unwaranted. Not only was he kind to share his system for free from which so many have benefited, but it also has created so much interest on this forum that over forty pages have been written including software programs!
To curse him and his system in the vile way as some have done is beyond the pale and the moderators should have done something to these idiots long ago before it got to this stage!
OK so some have their reservations about the system, everybody has an opinion and is free to express it on a forum as long as it has true content as is not abusive.
Anyway I'd  like to thank Winkel for this thread even though I might have found it difficult to follow at times. But it has certainly made me sit back and think about roulette deeper.
So 'Thanks Winkel'!

[winkel]

Thanks for being a tolerant and kind forumer.

Who do you think you are?

K=1000s of spins to test.

There are only 3 ways to beat the wheel:

1)hitting more than average tested in proper thousends of spins

2)hitting the average but building a winning progression positive or negative

3)playing on biased numbers

Answer it if you can without telling S words or attacking without speaking about roulette

1. I´m a genius
2. If you had hardly read the topic you would know that this is testest with more than 10 million spins
3. It does hit more than the average tested in 10 milion spins
4, it is hitting that much, that it doesn´t need any progression. If a player is used to it and knows how to read whats going on, he might be free to use a progression, because he knows it will recover "always"!!!!!!
4. Any systems should work on any kind of generator: Live-Wheel, RNG or Air-Spins(toucbets) on Mini-roulette as well. and this definitly does!

Your remarks just show, that you didn´t read anything therefore you simply don´t know what it is all about.

So please don´t talk about things you don´t know nothing about. Perhaps your wife will accept that, not me.

[bjb007]

I think that winkel or anyone else who
comes to a forum and makes a post with the title
"The Holy Gral (Grail ?) or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory"
or anything even half as pretentious is putting
themselves up for abuse if they then fail to deliver.

The title says it all as far as I'm concerned.

[winkel]

...... if they then fail to deliver.

did I? who can proof I did?

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi winkel,

At least I offered to prove that you DO deliver, a few pages back.
Unfortunately you didn't take my offer, obviously leaving some in doubt.
But that's your choice...

And now I've got better things to do.


Regards,
KFS

[TwoCatSam]

At least I offered to prove that you DO deliver, a few pages back.

KFS

Was this a tongue-in-cheek comment?  When you make that statement, it seems that you are saying that winkel is right and you are offering to prove it.  Then again, you could be saying winkel delivers empty promises.  It depends on the reader's interpretation.

Care to clarify?

Sam

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Sam,

I am only referring to what I offered to do, in post #589 and again in post #598 (both on page 40).
In short: Show me only one situation you know beats math and I will check my spins-files for that situation and report the end result.

winkel claims that the method beats math in 10 million spins (see his yesterday posts in the pit, for example).
Who am I to doubt?

/KFS

[TwoCatSam]

Mr Chips

You are the second most disrespected member of this forum.  What has been said to you/written about you is tantamount to calling you a liar.  I don't like it a bit as I feel you are truthful when you make your statements about the 4Selecta.  

winkel may be hard to understand, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.  I'll tell you this truthfully:  If I had put in the hours on the G.U.T. that I have on the 4Selecta, I could testify as to its usefulness.  I have tested the 4Selecta enough to make this statement:  Something is there!  I can't say that about the G.U.T.  I can say I put in a few dozen, if not hundred, hours testing and learning the 4Selecta; I have not with the G.U.T.  Maybe I should.

Now.....why do I want winkel to "stick around"?  I believe that's the germane question.  (Play on words intended!)  Because he may say something somewhere down the road that creates the "AH HA!" moment for me.  The light bulb will go off over my head!  Just like when KFS explained the 50% edge problem I had.  

Secondly, I have to ask myself why a man would endure the insults he has when he's making no money and getting no respect and very little appreciation?    

Two people are hiding behind walls with one stone (insult) between them.  As long as they hurl the stone back and forth, the fight continues.  If one just let's the stone lie where it fell, the fight ends.

The simple answer to this problem is this......Ignore the insults; speak to the students.  

Sam

[winkel]

In short: Show me only one situation you know beats math and I will check my spins-files for that situation and report the end result.

Hi KFS,

I can´t show you [highlight]one[/highlight] that beats the math nor the house-edge.

This strategy simply goes on this:

Because I play all crossings that appear I get a mix of the crossings that are bound to loose and those that are bound to win.

e.g.

If I play a 15-15 I have the exspect of 15/37 or in other style my odds 15:22 odds against me 22:15

15 times I win 21
22 times I loose 15
here is the house-edge

but to make me loose on that day all crossings have to be on a loosing streak.
And this occasion is more rare so it keeps me winning long-time.

To make me win I [highlight]need[/highlight] all selections appearing in their statistical manner.

Hard to understand, but try it.

another point that makes me win:
if there only appears 1 single number I don´t bet, because there is no crossing
if there appear all 37 number I don´t bet because there is only 1 crossing 19-18
to have a crossing I need more than 19 numbers to appear

now look at the statistics how many 37-spin-rows [highlight]must have a crossing[/highlight]
The 15/37 that give the statistics its houseedge I don´t bet, because they are in the no-crossing-section (15-13-9; 15-17-5; and others possible)

So I repeat:
- there is no use to test 1 single combination for crossings
- and it is necessary to add [highlight]gamblers intelligence[/highlight] to it

because if 15-15 appears by this row:

20-10
19-11
18-12
17-13
16-14
15-15

I dont bet

if it appears
15-20
15-19
15-18
15-17
15-16
15-15

I bet. and that makes the difference to the statistical expectation of hitting one of the 15 numbers I bet.

br
winkel

[TwoCatSam]

I think it is unrealistic to be expected to ignore adverse comments and even if you do others will join in for or against and the thread just becomes a nonsense.
Mr Chips

Mr Chips

It is tedious to wade through the chaff to get to the wheat, but I see no other way except to give winkel his own section like Turbo's and let him delete any post he deems disrespectful.  Who wants to read one man's opinion?  And what keeps the detractor from starting his own thread to ridicule?  Then the original author would join the detractor's thread and on it would go!

We must come to the conclusion there is no perfect solution and go back to studying roulette.  Wasn't that what this forum was originally designed for?  Seems so long ago, I've forgotten!

Sam

[MattyMattz]

In short: Show me only one situation you know beats math and I will check my spins-files for that situation and report the end result.

Hi KFS,

I can´t show you [highlight]one[/highlight] that beats the math nor the house-edge.

This strategy simply goes on this:

Because I play all crossings that appear I get a mix of the crossings that are bound to loose and those that are bound to win.

e.g.

If I play a 15-15 I have the exspect of 15/37 or in other style my odds 15:22 odds against me 22:15

15 times I win 21
22 times I loose 15
here is the house-edge

but to make me loose on that day all crossings have to be on a loosing streak.
And this occasion is more rare so it keeps me winning long-time.

Winkel,

this, atleast for me, is your best explaination of your system.  Thank you.  It shows, in basic form, what your system is looking for and also shows how the house edge factors in.  It also shows that it is possible to lose (should all your crossings be on a losing streak at the same time).  Very rare though, I would assume, which would explain why it's winning. 

I haven't tested this, which is why I haven't commented much on it.  But your above quote has made it much more clearer to me.

Regards, and keep up the good work.
Matt
 

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello winkel,

Thanks you gave an example of a situation when you bet.

I will look for that situation in my files.
Maybe it doesn't occur that many times in my Wiesbaden spins but I also have recieved many years of Hamburg spins.
And you claim it beats the RNG so that's a few million spins as well.


I'll report back after the week-end.
KFS

[TwoCatSam]

Well, gang, this will be interesting!

I can hardly wait!

s

[Proofreaders2000]

I'll throw my hat into the ring.  Yes there is risk and I have lost and have gotten frustrated, however I've also had some wins, wins that would make more money than the losses, so I am confident about GUT.  

I even play using Bjb's programs in several windows for multiple opportunities.
You have my respect.--PR

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

I'd like to discuss your scrolling chart you put in your posts.  I understand all but the  R  N  F.  Here is the way I have figured it out:

R means (2 or >2)   Why?  Because the numbers increase only, never decrease. 

N means exactly 2 hits.  Why?  Because when any number hits for the third time, this column decreases.

F means either 3 or (3 and >3)  I'm not sure which.

I have hard copied all those scrolling charts and plan to study them individually.  But if I don't know what I'm looking at, then I'm lost at the outset.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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