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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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winkel

[highlight]If I'm wrong, winkel will point it out to both of us.[/highlight]

You are absolutely right TCS.

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TwoCatSam

All

I posted something but took it down as soon as I saw winkel's explanation.

May I offer a tiny piece of advice:  Use Track2 and learn to add the columns.  

You will find many, many crossings if you just look for them.

I also agree with something else he said.  They cross more often than not.  I think there is a logical reason for this, but I don't want to get flamed so I'll think on it more.

Sam

winkel

Quote from: kompressor on October 14, 2008, 10:42:48 AM
hey winkel....your system is good cause it rely on pure logic but my biggest problem is to play this on my crowded table's casino....when there's sometime 3-4 minutes between each bet...how would you manage this ??

Hi kompressor,

I wrote before:

for training take your time. When you reach a state that a crossing might appear

e.g. 17-15

then write down the 17 numbers you would have to bet and go to the table (having 16 units in the pocket or your hand)
next number appears.
check your note
dismiss the number that hit and you know there have to be now
16-16

bet the remaining 16 numbers

If the number that appeared is not on your note: the crossing has not appeared. it is that simple.
nest number appears you can check on your note win/loss and collect your win (fortunately)

This 17-15 can only change to
17-15 just wait another spin
16-16 you bet
17-14 go back to your seat there are at least two or three spins for next crossing.

For beginners it is recommended to play with a partner who watches your units and notes on your seat.

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winkel

JHM

Winkel,

How can / should we play?

Trail. Nr. 0x 1x 1>

or

Trail. Nr. 0x 1x 2x 3x 3>

Use one or can both method's be played?

winkel

If I got you right:

for beginners:

0; 1; >1; 2; >2; this is what you see in the tests (unfortunately >2 is there named "3")

for advanced:
0; 1; >1; 2; >2; 3; >3; 4; >4 etc.

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winkel


winkel

ref: my "rythm" example

see todays Table 3 Wiesbaden The opposite rythm:

1 25 36 1 0 0 0
2 3 35 2 0 0 0
3 4 34 3 0 0 0
4 19 33 4 0 0 0
5 22 32 5 0 0 0
6 8 31 6 0 0 0
7 13 30 7 0 0 0
8 2 29 8 0 0 0
9 21 28 9 0 0 0
10 3 28 8 1 1 0
11 31 27 9 1 1 0
12 96 27 9 1 1 0
13 17 26 10 1 1 0
14 24 0 25 11 1 1 0
15 31 0 25 10 2 2 0
16 32 0 24 11 2 2 0
17 15 0 23 12 2 2 0
18 12 0 22 13 2 2 0
19 36 0 21 14 2 2 0
20 0 0 20 15 2 2 0
21 35 0 19 16 2 2 0
22 15 0 19 15 3 3 0
23 30 0 18 16 3 3 0
24 11 0 17 17 3 3 0 [highlight]This crossing much to early[/highlight]
25 24 rr -17 17 16 4 4 0
26 8 rr -34 17 15 5 5 0
27 8 -34 17 15 5 4 1 [highlight]it loses 2 times[/highlight]
28 28 -34 16 16 5 4 1
29 25 rr -50 16 15 6 5 1 [highlight]between spin 25 and 37 we await 5-6 "0"[/highlight]
30 22 rr -66 16 14 7 6 1 [highlight]we are two ahead: 3-4 remain[/highlight]
31 26 -66 15 15 7 6 1 [highlight]this is the second[/highlight]
32 24 rr -81 15 15 7 5 2 [highlight]the third crossing and we bet of 2-3 "0" which have to appear in the next 5 spins[/highlight]
33 32 rr -96 15 14 8 6 2 [highlight]of course the run away from us!!!![/highlight]
34 19 -96 15 13 9 7 2
35 6 -96 14 14 9 7 2
36 3 rr -110 14 14 9 6 3
37 2 rr -124 14 13 10 7 3 [highlight]here we have the exact 2/3 deviation[/highlight]
38 9 -124 13 14 10 7 3
39 36 -124 13 13 11 8 3
40 3 rr -137 13 13 11 8 3 after 4 double losses would you bet for a fifth? It comes due to the rythm!!!!
41 22 rr -150 13 13 11 7 4
42 33 rr -127 12 14 11 7 4 now starts the bet 0vs>1 and we are back to normal.
43 27 rr -103 11 15 11 7 4
44 19 rr -114 11 15 11 6 5
45 27 rr -125 11 14 12 7 5
46 7 -125 10 15 12 7 5
47 16 -125 9 16 12 7 5
48 13 -125 9 15 13 8 5
49 12 rr -134 9 14 14 9 5
50 5 rr -107 8 15 14 9 5


as you can see:
"0" have been fast (too fast)
then they turned to slow which made us loose on "0"-bets
then it came back to normal

look at such things when you are betting!

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winkel

JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 14, 2008, 02:12:57 PM
If I got you right:

for beginners:

0; 1; >1; 2; >2; this is what you see in the tests (unfortunately >2 is there named "3")

for advanced:
0; 1; >1; 2; >2; 3; >3; 4; >4 etc.

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winkel



Lets start with beginners. I want to start at basics. 0; 1; >1; 2; >2;

0: numbers that have not hit?
1: numbers that have hit once?
>1: numbers that have hit twice?
2: numbers that have hit twice, than isn't this column the same as the >1
>2: numbers that have hit more than twice

Do I have that correct? If not pleas explain what to do to get it right. And I don't understand the difference between >1 and 2.

Thank you.

winkel

Quote from: JHM on October 14, 2008, 06:25:59 PM

>1: numbers that have hit twice?
2: numbers that have hit twice, than isn't this column the same as the >1
>2: numbers that have hit more than twice

Do I have that correct? If not pleas explain what to do to get it right. And I don't understand the difference between >1 and 2.

Thank you.

>1 numbers qualify have appeared 2 3 4 5 6 7 or more times
2 numbers qualify have appeared exactly twice
>2 numbers qualify have appeared 3 4 5 6 7 or more times

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winkel

JHM

Quote from: winkel on October 14, 2008, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: JHM on October 14, 2008, 06:25:59 PM

>1: numbers that have hit twice?
2: numbers that have hit twice, than isn't this column the same as the >1
>2: numbers that have hit more than twice

Do I have that correct? If not pleas explain what to do to get it right. And I don't understand the difference between >1 and 2.

Thank you.

>1 numbers qualify have appeared 2 3 4 5 6 7 or more times
2 numbers qualify have appeared exactly twice
>2 numbers qualify have appeared 3 4 5 6 7 or more times

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winkel

>1 numbers qualify have appeared 2 3 4 5 6 7 or more times
2 numbers qualify have appeared exactly twice


>1 numbers qualify have appeared 2 3 4 5 6 7 or more times
>2 numbers qualify have appeared 3 4 5 6 7 or more times

I don't get the two situations above. I'll make 2 examples, maybe you can tell me what I see wrong.

Trail Nr.  0    1   1>   2   2>
1     10  36   1   0     0   0
2     25  35   2   0     0   0
3     10  35   1   1     1   0 Now Nr. 10 has hit 2 times, than it qualifies for 1> it has hit more than once. And 2 because it have hit twice?
4     13  34   2   1     1   0
5     25  34   2   2     2   0 Same situation as above?
6     10  34   2   3     1   1 Now nr 10 has hit more than once, 3 times so in the 1> column we add 1 and it has hit more than twice so we reduce 1 in the 2 column and add 1 in the 2>?  

I know this must be wrong. But maybe you can show me in a example how I should see this.

Thank you for the time and effort for helping understand.





Proofreaders2000

I noticed when a number misses (when you have a bet of 2 or three numbers, they are neighbors of the number. Why not incorporate Gamlet's Fire (of betting the neighbors) into it?

Just a thought


winkel

@JHM

I refer to this

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bjb007%27s-common-sense-way/crossings-checker-vr2-5/msg24597/#msg24597

imagine you have counted through all 37 possible numbers you will get a row like this:

2 4 3 2 4 5 3 6 7 5 3 3 2 2 2 1 3 5 1 2 3 3 4 2 5 3 6 2 3 7 1 2 1 1 2 3 2

now count all which are >1 (result 32)
now count all which are >2 (result 21)

and you will see the difference

a number that has appeared 3 times hasn´t appeared (exactly) twice anymore
but it still has appeared more than once (>1) and more than twice (>2)

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winkel

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 14, 2008, 07:07:28 PM
I noticed when a number misses (when you have a bet of 2 or three numbers, they are neighbors of the number. Why not incorporate Gamlet's Fire (of betting the neighbors) into it?

Just a thought



sorry, can´t answer this, because I don´t know "Gamlet´s Fire"

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Herb


Quoteand the tests of anyone who tries to study this strategy is just one more positiv result to the 10 000 000 spins test I did.

Winkel, Not only are your testing methods questionable at best, but I don't believe for one minute that you have ever tested 10,000,000 spins.  ;D

winkel

If you look at "view at statistics" you will find

[highlight]The above listed statistic origins of 8776078 full rotations of 37 spins.
That means 324 714 886 consecutive single spins.[/highlight]

These statistics are result of my testings. If i say ten million I just do some understatement.

[highlight]your testing methods questionable at best[/highlight]
The method is open to everyone in testing area and this topic. what´s wrong with it? Any ideas?

You are disqualifying yourself with every fart you lost your control on.

Proofreaders2000

Gamlet's Fire Method (See Gamlet, Full Systems) Comprises of a frequently hit number 2 to 3 times say over a five spin period and selecting the wheel-order neighbors on each side.  With 0 and 1, the latter having two or three numbers played for seven spins, 2 wheel-order neighbors on each side (since I noticed frequent hits of the neighbors) could be played.

Proofreaders2000

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