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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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JHM

I'm getting grip on the system Winkel. did another session ended +3. Now we're getting somewhere.

What to do in this situation?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>

13   25   29   4   4   3   1   Bet 4 hit once
14   24   28   5   4   3   1   Lose -4
15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?
16   29   26   7   4   3   1   Lose -4
17   11   25   8   4   3   1   Lose -4
18   16   25   7   5   3   1   If continued 0vs1, lose -3 and win 35. When switched to 1vs1> no win.

alex00

Winkel, in your fix to JHM, at the N. 47 why not play the intersection 7-6 and the game only to hit 49?

Thanks

Alex00

Proofreaders2000

Hey Winkel.
Something you ought to know about.  Dealer changes.  I spoken to TCS about it with his Chicco/Flash Strategy.

There is a danger when the dealer changes, as long as the dealer is the same, and you have a dealer signature, then GUT is fine.  Now, at Dublinbet, it's the same dealer, but get over to the Riverbelle wheel (where I play for real money), they change dealers when there are a lot of wins.  Often as every three minutes.  That hurts it.

xman1970

Hey Proof,  ;)


I've played at Canbet which like Riverbelle is a Microgaming wheel & I've only ever seen then change every 30 mins regular as clockwork....

How often have your experienced them changing every 3 mins ????


Cheers.....[smiley=beer.gif]

Proofreaders2000

Usually at night, about 10pm and 6am CDT U.S. and especially on Fridays and Sat**days I see the dealer changes that frequently.  They cost dearly as the "hot numbers" chosen by GUT cool off fast.

xman1970

WoW considering how much time I was on line looking at their numbers (& I have played at the times you stated) I cannot believe I haven't seen it happen....  :-[

Ok, thanks for the heads up....[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

To you think they changed to their "best" dealer or just pushed the next dealer in line up  ???

Natural9

I was going to ask about so called dealer sinatue for this method I think Winkel earl;ier on said it should not be affected

If you believe in dealer signature (lots don't) it may affect it What is your take on it Winkel

Regards Rodney

Proofreaders2000

Well, what happens is you make a bet, say on a progression or have recently had hits on a number.  Riverbelle wheel dealers change right after you confirm the bet.  You don't see it coming.  Just recently, I was up 30 on two fifty cent number bets and they changed dealers (it seemed) until I stopped betting, then the original dealer returns.  Funny.

xman1970

Like i said Proof all I have seen is two dealers for about a six hour shift normally 28 mins past the hour they swap....

& like U said they swap after your bets are confirmed......

But it's always the same time give or take a minute or two....

TwoCatSam

TESTING...

9.8.8          24u

Think I'll quit and use real money.

Sam

Proofreaders2000

Say what you will guys.  GUT, Chicco's Leon 2 Pro succeed on Dealer Signature, (hence the high number of spins before a bet is recommended).  I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw this time and again, that numbers tend not to fall when a dealer change takes place.
(Riverbelle wheel operators know changing dealers affects betting patterns.)  I think highly of both Chicco Flash and GUT.  The two methods just don't see the dealers.

TwoCatSam

Very interesting session tonight in spite of the possum

Video tomorrow at testing.

Sam

JHM

Quote from: alex00 on October 15, 2008, 07:46:10 PM
Winkel, in your fix to JHM, at the N. 47 why not play the intersection 7-6 and the game only to hit 49?

Thanks

Alex00

Because 2vs2> is no bet opportunity. See this post from Winkel for the triggers. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/msg24649/#msg24649

winkel

Quote from: JHM on October 15, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
I'm getting grip on the system Winkel. did another session ended +3. Now we're getting somewhere.

What to do in this situation?

Spin   Nr.    0   1   1>   2   2>

13   25   29   4   4   3   1   Bet 4 hit once
14   24   28   5   4   3   1   Lose -4
15   4   27   6   4   3   1   Lose -4  continue bet 0vs1 or switch 1vs1>?
16   29   26   7   4   3   1   Lose -4
17   11   25   8   4   3   1   Lose -4
18   16   25   7   5   3   1   If continued 0vs1, lose -3 and win 35. When switched to 1vs1> no win.


Hi JHM,

I normally start to bet when 19"0" have crossed with 18">1"

remember: the "2" have to rise up to 10 (thats the binomial hill) betting them to fall during that rise is tricky.

I do nearly always start with betting a "0" vs anyone
except:
"0" are very slow and are sataying at 18 or 17. then you have a good chance to hit a 1vs>1(2) or even a 2vs>2(3)

But again:
any decision you make is okay as long as there is a crossing
If you are not sure: Just don´t bet
It is not like in a progression: you bet martingale 128 pieces you loose and stopp because 256 ist to much money. and youre chance appears. That hurts.
GUT is just the decision: bet 15: lose 15 / win 21. If don´t lose/win here, you will lose/win somewhen later.
This whole game is a mix of good and bad decisions with the guarantee to win in the end.
br
winkel



winkel

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 15, 2008, 08:36:07 PM
Hey Winkel.
Something you ought to know about.  Dealer changes.  I spoken to TCS about it with his Chicco/Flash Strategy.

There is a danger when the dealer changes, as long as the dealer is the same, and you have a dealer signature, then GUT is fine.  Now, at Dublinbet, it's the same dealer, but get over to the Riverbelle wheel (where I play for real money), they change dealers when there are a lot of wins.  Often as every three minutes.  That hurts it.

Hi Proofreader,

my test have been on Live-Tables as well. We just didn´t even look at a "dealers" change

What might happen:
a dealer is spinning repeaters: we don´t get crossings 0vs1 very late a crossing 1vs(>)2
a dealer is spinning unhit: we get a crossing on 0vs1 and win, we don´t get a crossing on 1vs(any higher)

dealers change just produces another of the possible 37(50)spin-rows.
(as long as there is no device on the wheel to land a number in a special box)

br
winkel

winkel

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