The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[droidman]

kompressor,

Please download the new v4 software, I've removed the >0 column.

[madupz4]

@madupz

just give me numbers where you have lost and I´ll show you what jumping can do.

pls all spins min. 50 numbers

br
winkel

Winkel,

Here is 50 numbers, didn't jump once, but I bet 2x on 0vs.1 when the trigger was present and lost and never came back to that, then I also bet 2x on the trigger 1vs. 2 and loss on both.  Finished this session -58.  How am I suppossed to know when to jump while i'm playing when there are triggers to be bet on the board?

16
23
7
36
33
1
17
14
23
3
9
31
9
35
8
25
28
11
19
26
17
29
20
16
35
6
11
28
20
34
31
15
6
27
25
27
6
13
26
31
24
16
11
15
17
4
5
13
13
23

[winkel]

Code Select Expand

20 26 0 0 / 0 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 17 0 1 / 0 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 29 0 0 / 0 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 20 0 0 / 0 0 17 17 3 3 0
24 16 0 1 / 0 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 35 0 0 / 0 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 6 0 0 / 0 0 16 16 5 5 0
27 11 rr 16 1 V -16 -16 16 15 6 6 0
28 28 rr 16 1 V -16 -32 16 14 7 7 0
29 20 0 1 / 0 -32 16 13 8 8 0
30 34 0 0 / 0 -32 15 14 8 8 0
31 31 rr 15 1 V -15 -47 15 13 9 9 0
32 15 0 0 / 0 -47 14 14 9 9 0
33 6 rr 14 1 V -14 -61 14 13 10 10 0
34 27 rr 14 0 G 22 -39 13 14 10 10 0
35 25 0 1 / 0 -39 13 13 11 11 0
36 27 rr 13 1 V -13 -52 13 12 12 12 0
37 6 rr 13 2 V -13 -65 13 12 12 11 1
38 13 nr 12 0 V -12 -77 12 13 12 11 1
39 26 nr 13 1 G 23 -54 12 12 13 12 1
40 31 rr 12 2 V -12 -66 12 12 13 11 2
41 24 rr 12 0 G 24 -42 11 13 13 11 2
42 16 rr 11 2 V -11 -53 11 13 13 10 3
43 11 nr 13 2 V -13 -66 11 13 13 9 4
44 15 nr 13 1 G 23 -43 11 12 14 10 4
45 17 0 2 / 0 -43 11 12 14 9 5
46 4 0 0 / 0 -43 10 13 14 9 5
47 5 rr 10 0 G 26 -17 9 14 14 9 5
48 13 nr 14 1 G 22 5 9 13 15 10 5
49 13 0 0 / 0 5 9 13 15 9 6
50 23 rr 9 2 V -9 -4 9 13 15 8 7


this is played all crossings: total -4

If you had watched you had seen that 19 in spin 20 is much to early. 0 is high in front. I wouldn´t have bet the 16.
But if you do it despite the risk:
second loss at spin 31 total -47. I had enough of this and had jumped.

if we had jumped as tracker does: 20 spins that means restart at spin 12

[winkel]

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1 31 36 1 0 0 0
2 9 Hub 35 2 0 0 0
3 35 34 3 0 0 0
4 8 33 4 0 0 0
5 25 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 28 31 6 0 0 0
7 11 30 7 0 0 0
8 19 Wert eingeben! 29 8 0 0 0
9 26 28 9 0 0 0
10 17 27 10 0 0 0
11 29 26 11 0 0 0
12 20 25 12 0 0 0
13 16 24 13 0 0 0
14 35 0 1 / 0 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 6 0 0 / 0 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 11 0 1 / 0 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 28 0 1 / 0 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 20 0 1 / 0 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 34 0 0 / 0 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 31 0 1 / 0 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 15 0 0 / 0 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 6 0 0 / 0 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 27 0 0 / 0 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 25 0 1 / 0 0 20 10 7 7 0
25 27 0 0 / 0 0 20 9 8 8 0
26 6 nr 9 2 V -9 -9 20 9 8 7 1
27 13 nr 9 0 V -9 -18 19 10 8 7 1
28 26 0 1 / 0 -18 19 9 9 8 1
29 31 nr 9 2 V -9 -27 19 9 9 7 2
30 24 nr 9 0 V -9 -36 18 10 9 7 2
31 16 nr 10 1 G 26 -10 18 9 10 8 2
32 11 nr 9 2 V -9 -19 18 9 10 7 3
33 15 0 1 / 0 -19 18 8 11 8 3
34 17 nr 8 1 G 28 9 18 7 12 9 3
35 4 0 0 / 0 9 17 8 12 9 3
36 5 0 0 / 0 9 16 9 12 9 3
37 13 nr 9 1 G 27 36 16 8 13 10 3
38 13 0 2 / 0 36 16 8 13 9 4
39 23 0 0 / 0 36 15 9 13 9 4


here at 25 20 "0" is okay, but too many "2"
that´s the reason we lose.
But "0" keep being slow and "1"s keep waving leads us to a plus of 36

-47 + jump +36 =-11 thats fair enough

br
winkel

[madupz4]

Code Select Expand

20 26 0 0 / 0 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 17 0 1 / 0 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 29 0 0 / 0 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 20 0 0 / 0 0 17 17 3 3 0
24 16 0 1 / 0 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 35 0 0 / 0 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 6 0 0 / 0 0 16 16 5 5 0
27 11 rr 16 1 V -16 -16 16 15 6 6 0
28 28 rr 16 1 V -16 -32 16 14 7 7 0
29 20 0 1 / 0 -32 16 13 8 8 0
30 34 0 0 / 0 -32 15 14 8 8 0
31 31 rr 15 1 V -15 -47 15 13 9 9 0
32 15 0 0 / 0 -47 14 14 9 9 0
33 6 rr 14 1 V -14 -61 14 13 10 10 0
34 27 rr 14 0 G 22 -39 13 14 10 10 0
35 25 0 1 / 0 -39 13 13 11 11 0
36 27 rr 13 1 V -13 -52 13 12 12 12 0
37 6 rr 13 2 V -13 -65 13 12 12 11 1
38 13 nr 12 0 V -12 -77 12 13 12 11 1
39 26 nr 13 1 G 23 -54 12 12 13 12 1
40 31 rr 12 2 V -12 -66 12 12 13 11 2
41 24 rr 12 0 G 24 -42 11 13 13 11 2
42 16 rr 11 2 V -11 -53 11 13 13 10 3
43 11 nr 13 2 V -13 -66 11 13 13 9 4
44 15 nr 13 1 G 23 -43 11 12 14 10 4
45 17 0 2 / 0 -43 11 12 14 9 5
46 4 0 0 / 0 -43 10 13 14 9 5
47 5 rr 10 0 G 26 -17 9 14 14 9 5
48 13 nr 14 1 G 22 5 9 13 15 10 5
49 13 0 0 / 0 5 9 13 15 9 6
50 23 rr 9 2 V -9 -4 9 13 15 8 7


this is played all crossings: total -4

If you had watched you had seen that 19 in spin 20 is much to early. 0 is high in front. I wouldn´t have bet the 16.
But if you do it despite the risk:
second loss at spin 31 total -47. I had enough of this and had jumped.

if we had jumped as tracker does: 20 spins that means restart at spin 12

Where do you see a crossing on spin # 46 that gives you a running profit of -43 to -17?  0 =10, 1 =13, 2=14, 3=9, >3=5.  Where is the crossing?

[winkel]

Hi mad,

I´m not using the droidman´s tracker my list is a bit different

[highlight]0=10[/highlight] 1=13 >1=14 [highlight]2=9[/highlight]

the crossing 0vs2

br
winkel

[Tok2Dahand]

Hi winkel.

I have been putting your strategy to the test, so far I am down about 120 units after a few days play though but I am recovering from a nasty streak. Im gonna persevere though..

What are all these new columns you have added?  The one with (/ V G) in it and the one to the left of that with (1 0 1 1 2 0 1 2) etc....  It would be a great help to us if you could give the columns a heading at the top to make them more readable....

Thanks

[winkel]

Hi Tok,

this is my own worksheet and the abbreviations are in German.
for posting results some columns are not neccasary and normally i wipe them, but htis time I forgot to do.

read the above columns as:

1 = counting the spins
2 = the spins
3 = abbreviations that say in this spin is bet on ....! these can´t be numbers due to Excel and the logic of some hidden formulas
4 = due to 3 here are the units which are to be placed as bet
5 = this shows how often the actual number has hit before so you can check if there is
6 = /= no bet G=Gewinn/win V=Verlust/loss
7 = result of the spin
8 = running total
9 - 13 = Groups

br
winkel

[winkel]

Now to your results

as you can see there are times where you lose 3to5 sessions in a row. that´s part of the game and you can do nothing about it.

as you can see on the tests:
the touchbet went down to about -270 to recover to +422
the total went down from +715 to +478

br
winkel

[madupz4]

Hi mad,

I´m not using the droidman´s tracker my list is a bit different

[highlight]0=10[/highlight] 1=13 >1=14 [highlight]2=9[/highlight]

the crossing 0vs2

br
winkel

Winkel,

According to your rules, I didn't know 0vs.2 was a possible trigger?  I thought it was only:
0vs.1
0vs. >1
1vs.2
1vs.>2
2vs.3
2vs.>3  ?

-also, I didn't know that you can come back to a trigger multiple times after it has already passed?  For example if you have 0vs.1 trigger at 17-17,,,,,then later on down the road 0vs.1 is 12-12, i didn't know that you can bet on 0vs.1 at (12-12) again?  I thought once you bet and it already crossed then it is considered dead?

[Tok2Dahand]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Yeah the losing streaks are part of the game I know full well being an experienced and winning NL holdem player..

I am becoming used to your system though... we shall see if it turns out good..

I am still skeptical about wether we can overcome the house edge in the long run though but testing your system is fun, if it works out positive then great, if not and I lose to the house edge then who cares as I'm testing with 10c units

Also I have spent many hours reading this thread and the ones in the testing zone....   thanks for all the detailed explainations and hard work you have put into this

[JHM]

Where are you testing? And are you testing RNG or real?

[winkel]

Hi mad,

we get mixed up with my "rules for beginners" and "higher educated" ways to play.

Take the simple rules:
- if a crossing is there bet
- if in doubt don´t bet


decisions:
is it wise to bet this crossing?
What happende before?
How did my bankroll develop?
Is it a lucky day or a bad day to me?

br
winkel

[madupz4]

Hi mad,

we get mixed up with my "rules for beginners" and "higher educated" ways to play.

Take the simple rules:
- if a crossing is there bet
- if in doubt don´t bet


decisions:
is it wise to bet this crossing?
What happende before?
How did my bankroll develop?
Is it a lucky day or a bad day to me?

br
winkel

If I bet every crossing like you say, What would be the instances that would make someone be "in doubt" and NOT bet?  That is my problem, I am never in doubt b/c i don't know what it means to be "in doubt?"  I am simply betting every time I see a crossing with no judgement attatched like a robot.

[Tok2Dahand]

Where are you testing? And are you testing RNG or real?

real wheel...

[Tok2Dahand]

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