The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[Proofreaders2000]

Having played GUT enough, I am convinced that it is (for the most part) an effective way to play roulette.

With this in mind, with consistant winnings w/GUT (in several sessions) over RNG that RNG is inferior to the live wheel, (in which I am having inconsistent success).

[Tok2Dahand]

Having played GUT enough, I am convinced that it is (for the most part) an effective way to play roulette.

With this in mind, with consistant winnings w/GUT (in several sessions) over RNG that RNG is inferior to the live wheel, (in which I am having inconsistent success).

Umm..  do you mean that you are finding RNG superior to live?

[Proofreaders2000]

No, the other way around.  I think GUT can beat RNG wheels on a more consistent basis.
I don't know of any system that can beat a live wheel consistently (over the long term.) 

RNG is a computer's interpretation of mother nature, and is similar to how GUT selects numbers (binomial distribution) --computers select the same way, so it makes sense.

Now, with mother nature, imagine weatherpeople trying to predict the weather.  How many have gotten it even 80% or 70% right.

That's why I think RNG are inferior to live wheels.

[TwoCatSam]

The two previous posts just confuses me more.............

[Proofreaders2000]

Ok..(AH-HA moment) Since an online casino's RNG is set to retrieve numbers by atmospheric noise (as I understand it), it goes through the same (binomial distribution, or its GUT) to "logic out" what a live wheel would do.  I think Winkel has the bullseye on RNG for this reason.

Since the live wheel "is exactly like mother nature", having a real ball and wheel, is like trying to predict when it is going to rain each day for 1,000,000 spins or say ten years.  (even chances)
Or on those days that it rains (over 10 years), will it be a flood? (2 to 1) or sleet (5 to 1)

What system can accurately (80% or better) predict that?

[TwoCatSam]

 

You should read the two posts very carefully!


Having played GUT enough, I am convinced that it is (for the most part) an effective way to play roulette  YOU


Umm..  do you mean that you are finding RNG superior to live?  TOK


No, the other way around. I think GUT can beat RNG wheels on a more consistent basis.
I don't know of any system that can beat a live wheel consistently (over the long term.)   YOU AGAIN

The man is asking if you find RNG superior and you say no, the other way around.  Then you say GUT can beat RNG on a more consistent basis.

So, is GUT better on RNG or live?

Does Sam need an oil change!!??

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

No, Sam's motor is just fine.

I'm saying GUT can consume a digital hamburger (RNG wheel) more easily than a real one (live wheel).

[winkel]

Hi folks,

[highlight]First:[/highlight]
There is absolutely no difference between RNG, Touchbet or Live-Wheel.
All kinds are bound to the laws of statistics. What you see here, you will see on the other tomorrow.

[highlight]Second:[/highlight]
some complain about decisions. But you can´t avoid being in a position to make a decision

e.g. out of TCS´s Movie (I hope I got it right but it is only for example)
17 13 7 3 4 4
17 12 8 4 4 4
16 13 8 4 4 4
15 14 8 4 4 4 TCS was complaining that is is not allowed to play the 4-4 2vs3
at this position he lost 2 times his bet with total -8
now a second trigger appears on 0vs1
What to do? Stick on the bet of 2vs3 and letting the trigger 0vs1 go?

scenary 1:
he changes to 0vs1 - next
15 14 8 3 5 5 (that is what happened) -15+-8=-23
next
14 15 8 3 5 5 -15+36-23=-2

scenary 2:
he sticks on the bet 2v3
15 14 8 3 5 5 -12+36=+24 and now bet on trigger 0vs1 because it is still alive
14 15 8 3 5 5 -15+36+24=+45

also possible had been this:
scenary 3: sticking to bet 2vs3
14 15 8 4 4 4 = -12 so far
(13 16 8 4 4 4
12 17 8 4 4 4 )

What he did because of "his new way to bet"
15 14 8 4 4 4 bet 0vs1
15 14 8 3 5 5 loss -15
14 15 8 3 5 5 win -15-15+36=+6

Do you see:
The earlier I start to play 2vs3 the more often I run into Double-Triggers
If I do so, I [highlight]have to[/highlight] make a decision
Betting both trigger-numbers would be a bet of 19 numbers which is not recommended.

br
winkel

[Proofreaders2000]

First:
There is absolutely no difference between RNG, Touchbet or Live-Wheel.
All kinds are bound to the laws of statistics. What you see here, you will see on the other tomorrow.

Second:
some complain about decisions. But you can´t avoid being in a position to make a decision

That's me on both counts.  Let's agree to disagree.

Literally, what you have with an RNG wheel is art imitating life (live wheel).  Say what you will, the digital wheel embraces GUT while there is a love/hate relationship with the live wheel.  It has happened too many times for it to be a fluke.

[TwoCatSam]

Proof

No one is arguing with you, Bro!  I would love to clone me arse and do both.  As it it I spend ten hours a day at roulette. 

I have spent most of my time trying to educate Motion Box on what a video should sound like.  Here is what I am going to have to do to accomplish my goal:

1.  I make the video with voice.
2.  I burn it to a CD
3.  I play that CD on my TV
4.  With my Web Cam, I will capture the TV screen.
5.  I then upload it to Motion Box. 
6.  I then link it to my thread.

Why?

I must be out of my mind! 

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

Good refereeing Sam.  I want to give Herb a shout-out.

VLS would not be the premier roulette site without you, Sam, and others (like Winkel) who put in the time and patience to test these systems for public use.  A BIG thank you to all contributors!

[TwoCatSam]

Thanks for that head-patting!!  I needed it.

Sam

[winkel]

The last few days I tested the Jump-Back

I always got into Plus even if I started with a loss.

If anyone finds a sequence where jumping back produces increasing losses I would be int4rested of the spins.

Thx
br
winkel

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

winkel,

You wrote:

If anyone finds a sequence where jumping back produces increasing losses I would be int4rested of the spins.

Maybe 30 spins jumps are too long, for the clinic test? If not:

The Wiesbaden sessions I show in the file GUTTW.txt, included in the attachement to "Reply #1" in the KFS' GUT-test thread in the Testing Zone:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/kfs%27-gut-test/
The sessions are shown in every detail in that file.

Wiesbaden April 1, 2003:
Session #1, Spins 1 - 50, Result: -75
Session #2, Spins 21 - 70, Result: -28, Total -103

Also (same date)
Session #5, Spins 81 - 130, Result: -48
Session #6, Spins 101 - 150, Result: -32, Total -80

Played according to the rules you set and we agreed on.


Regards,
KFS

[Proofreaders2000]

Something just occured to me.  I remember Winkel mentioning Live Wheel Biases [paraphrase].  If RNG is "perfect", what about the live wheel bettors play on.  Is it balanced? (I would not put it past casinos for trickery.)  Food for thought. 

If anyone would share, do you notice any difference playing GUT from one live wheel to another?

[Proofreaders2000]

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