The Holy Gral or G.U.T the Great Universal Theory

[winkel]

Winkel

It clearly proves you wrong.  For starters, each spin is independent.  Did you miss that part?

 Just because one number has hit once, and another has hit twice, it doesn't tell you which is more likely to hit on the next spin.  It's because there is no connection to the prior spins.

Are you saying that each spin of the wheel IS somehow connected to previous spins?  I thought you were supposedly a math guy?

I didn´t say anything of what you are discussing here.


But answer this question: Do these "crossings" have to appear or not?

and: during the game we will have 14 "0" 13 "1" and 10 ">1"
that means the possibility f"any" number is 1/37
but for "0" it is 14/37 and for "1" it is 13/37 and for ">1" it is 10/37

still all is independ but the probability for each group is different!

[Landis]

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[winkel]

Come on Landis,

do you know Kolmogoroff?
do you know Markov?

there is a step after: "Each trial is independent".

And: I´m not refering to hit exactly the next number, but I try to hit one of a group and this group has a higher probability than the others to hit.
Not only because the group-amount is equal or higher, but they have to cross as well, due to the bi-/multinomial distributions behaviour.

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winkel

[Landis]

Winkel,

One group is NOT more likely to hit than another group.  This is the 'FALLACY'

Yes there is a number that will hit each spin.  Yes, depending on how you look at a crossing has to occur somewhere, but the odds of this happening for a single number is just 1 in 37 for a payoff of only 35 to 1.

These crossings are meaningless.  These past crossings don't change the odds of a number or numbers hitting on the next spins. 

Just curious, where's everyones brain at around here?

[winkel]

Winkel,

One group is NOT more likely to hit than another group.  This is the 'FALLACY'

...
Just curious, where's everyones brain at around here?

Where is your brain?

e.g. if I bet on 1 col than I have a probability of 12/37 or not?
my odds therefore are 25/37 right?

at the average after a certain number of spins these odds will appear! Or not?

The numbers that haven´t hit must go down to Zero. No matter if it is after 37 spins (earliest possible Point) or after 1000 spins.

But on that way a crossing has to appear, you can´t denie that.

[Landis]

Winkel,

The odds of one column hitting are 12/37 for a payoff of ONLY 2 to 1!  This equals house edge over the player of 2.7%!

You haven't changed the odds at all!  The crossovers are a waste of time to track.

I can see I'm going to have to teach you basic probability as well.

[winkel]

Winkel,

The odds of one column hitting are 12/37 for a payoff of ONLY 2 to 1!  This equals house edge over the player of 2.7%!

Did I say anything else? What are you complaining about?
And what about Kolmogorof and Markov you genius?
Why don´t you refer to these Math-People?
I know, then you would have to say that I am right. so stay at elemtentary-school-stochastics.

And pls don´t start a house-edge-discussion

[TwoCatSam]

Crossings happen.

[Landis]

Winkel,

Then feel free to prove my math wrong.  You pretend to be a math guy, so show me the math the enables your system to win.


Perhaps you'd like to explain your gambling system to us all on this forum.   nolinks://nolinks.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Crossings happen, but the odds of a number hitting remain constant.  Feel free to come and join our forum.  However, don't check your brain at the door.



-Landis
(By the way, I'm a real math guy, not a pretend one.)

[winkel]

Winkel,

Then feel free to prove my math wrong.  You pretend to be a math guy, so show me the math the enables your system to win.

-Landis
(By the way, I'm a real math guy, not a pretend one.)

I didn´t say your math is wrong, but after you have learned the basiscs of stochastics, you should make the next step.
And again, what about Kolmogorof and Markov?

To proof my strategy with math is impossible, because it doesn´t relate to math.
The only math in it is: +1 and -1 and sum and difference.

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winkel

[Landis]

Sorry, but that's of no value.  Feel free to post it on the other forum. 

nolinks://nolinks.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70

[winkel]

I  have to add something:

If I would only bet one certain crossing e.g. 14-13 at spin 37 I would fail as any other strategy. (-2,7)

what I do is betting every appearing crossing, no matter at what point of the sequence it appears.
But as others have experienced there are three possible ways of betting results:
- strongly winning
- strongly losing
- winning and losing small wins smal losses

The way I bet i meet all three kinds of results and add them up.
To make me lose my bankroll all the crossings have to lose, that happens but very rarely.
As I bet less than 18 numbers one single win always equalizes one loss.
At average I bet 10-11 numbers, that means 1 win equalizes 2 losses (I need 1 win out of three bets)
Stopp-Loss is always smaller than possible win (<36 / see stopp betting rule)
Stopp game when you are in a losing streak and jump to a winning streak,
In every spin row there is a winning streak, as I proofed before. (See Jumping-Tutorial)

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winkel

[winkel]

Sorry, but that's of no value.  Feel free to post it on the other forum. 

nolinks://nolinks.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Hi Landis,

1. English is not my first language and Im definitely not able to discuss within math-terms
2. I like forums where people discuss their hobbies and try to beat probability.
3. I hate forums where people discuss "time-travelling"

4. and as long as you don´t answer my questions to the theories of Kolmogorof and Markov, why should I discuss there?

[seykid29]

Greetings Mr.Winkel,
I know we got entangled in debate   once ,im back in peace.
Wanted to ask,if someone is decicated,is it possible to make a living from G.U.T.
Thanks in advance.
SEYKID.

[Jish]

is it possible to make a living from G.U.T.
Thanks in advance.
SEYKID.

thats his claim, can you confirm winkel?

[Jish]

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