Question about use of oscars grind

[djroulette]

hi to all members.

i have looked at various ways of betting, systems and money management. After reading hundreds of topics and posts i have come to the decision i want to try and find a way of playing using oscars grind. i am not an impulse player and prefer to really grind out the profits. i hope to find out how people play using the oscars grind for instance what sytem they use with it or what bet selection for instace playing the outside bets.

i dont have a huge bankroll to play with. maximum of 200 gbp. i can play on dublinbet or bet 365 as these both have small minimum bets. i say thank you in advnce for any advice given.

dj

[TwoCatSam]

dj

You must realize that Oscar can get out of hand if you get a winner and several losers, and winner and several losers, and so on and on.  Each winner increases your bet and the losers eat your bankroll. 

Sam

[djroulette]

thanks for advice two cat. after having read posts from victor i thought he said it was quite steady. i have obviously missed some key information. what kind of way would you recomend to play with someone with a relatively small bankroll? i see you are very in to the 4 seclecta method at the moment. how is that going??

dj

[TwoCatSam]

The Selecta4 is my primary area of testing/study.  It is slow and tedious, but I have faith.  It is going well.

In my opinion, there is no bet that is better than another bet for Oscar's Grind.  In any trot you can have this:  LLLLWLLLLWLLLLLWWLLLLLLLWLLLW

Any even-money bet can and surely will do that.  I've seen it many, many times.  Also the field in craps will do it.  Player will do it in baccarat.  Flipping a coin will do it.

Now the bad part is when you winning: WWWWLWWLWWLLWWWWWLWWWW you are winnning at the lowest level as you keep going back to 1 unit.  So when you win, you win minimally; when you lose, you lose big.

Sam

[djroulette]

in that case then what money management system would you recomend?

[TwoCatSam]

flat betting

[Lanky]

The Selecta4 is my primary area of testing/study.  It is slow and tedious, but I have faith.  It is going well.

In my opinion, there is no bet that is better than another bet for Oscar's Grind.  In any trot you can have this:  LLLLWLLLLWLLLLLWWLLLLLLLWLLLW

Any even-money bet can and surely will do that.  I've seen it many, many times.  Also the field in craps will do it.  Player will do it in baccarat.  Flipping a coin will do it.

Now the bad part is when you winning: WWWWLWWLWWLLWWWWWLWWWW you are winnning at the lowest level as you keep going back to 1 unit.  So when you win, you win minimally; when you lose, you lose big.

Sam

Sam.

Good point You make there Mate.
And to further add to Your observation.
Lets Compare Oscars Grind to what I call the Advanced Divisor Plan for the Even Chances.

I have not posted this before because there has not been a lot of interest shown in the easier Divisor Plans I have posted in the past.

To be frank I sometimes think I would be better off pissing into the wind.......

However Because I have the Forum at heart I will keep doing what I consider to be the right thing.

1-L=6/6=1=7 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–1)
2-L=6/7=2=9 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–2)
3-L=7/9=2=11 lost........................................(Os 1–3)
4-L=7/11=2=13 lost.................................... (Os 1–4)
5-W=8/13=2=15 won-4=11.......................(Os 1-3)
6-L=7/11=2=13 lost ...................................(Os 2-5)
7-L=7/13=2=15 lost ....................................(Os 2-7)
8-L=8/15=2=17 lost ...................................(Os 2-9)
9-L=8/17=3=20 lost ....................................(Os 2-11)
10-W=9/20=3=23 Won-6=17 .................. (Os 2-9)
11-L=8/17=3=20 lost ..................................(Os 3-12)
12-L=8/20=3=23 lost ..................................(Os 3-15)
13-L=9/23=3=26 lost ..................................(Os 3-18)
14-L=9/26=3=29 lost .................................(Os 3-21)
15-L=10/29=3=32 lost ...............................(Os 3-24)
16-W=10/32=4=36 Won-8=28.................(Os 3-21)
17-W=9/28=4=32 Won-8=24....................(Os 4-17)
18-L=8/24=3=27 lost ..................................(Os 5-22)
19-L=8/27=4=31 lost ..................................(Os 5-27)
20-L=9/31=4=35 lost ..................................(Os 5-32)
21-L=9/35=4=39 lost ..................................(Os 5-37)
22-L=10/39=4=43 lost ...............................(Os 5-42)
23-L=10/43=5=48 lost ...............................(Os 5-47)
24-L=11/48=5=53 lost ...............................(Os 5-52)
25-W=11/53=5=58 Won-10=48 ..............(Os 5-47)
26-L=10/48=5=53 Lost ...............................(Os 6-53)
27-L=10/53=6=59 lost ................................(Os 6-59)
28-L=11/59=6=65 lost ................................(Os 6-65)
29-W=11/65=6=71 Won-12=59................(Os 6-59)

So after 29 spins & only 6 winners
The six point is 59-6 win Target is losing 53 units
Oscars is losing 59 units.

Now lets see what happens with the rest of Sam's Lw Notations.
..................................................................................................
30-W=10/59=6=65 Won-12=53...............(Os 7-52)
31-W=9/53=6=59 Won-12=47.................(Os 8-44)
32-W=8/47=6=53 Won-12=41.................(Os 9-35)
33-W=7/41=6=47 Won-12=35.................(Os 10-25)
34-L=6/35=6=41 lost..................................(Os 11-36)
35-W=6/41=7=48 Won-14=34.................(Os 11-25)
36-W=5/34=7=41 won-14=27.................(Os 12-13)
37-L=4/27=7=34 lost..................................(Os 13-26)
38-W=4/34=9=43 Won-18=25.................(Os 13-13)
39-W=3/25=9=34 Won-18=16..................(Os 14=+{1}
Divisor is now 2/16 we add the safety brake of 2/6 like this
2/16+ safety brake
2/6
..............
4/22=6 to bet ( now the win target is 12)
...........................
40-L=4/22=6=28 lost..................................(Os 1-1)
41-L=4/28=7=35 lost..................................(Os 1-2)
42-W=5/35=7=42 Won-14=28....................(Os 1-1)
43-W=4/28=7=35 Won-14=21.....................(Os 2=+1+1={2}
44-W=3/21=7=28 Won-14=14.....................(Os 1=+1+2={3}
Divisor now at 2/14 so we add another safety Brake of 2/6 like this
2/14+
2/6
........................
4/20=5 to bet the win target is now (18)
...........................
45-W=4/20=5=25 Won-10=15................................(Os 1+3={4}
46-W=3/15=5=20 Won-10=10-(18)={8}Profit..(Os 1+4={5}

Divisor is now 2/10
But because our win Target was 18 & we only had 10 left to get.
That gives us a total of +{8} Profit.
So we won't tempt fate & we start again.
After all we originally set out to win 6 units and we have {8} so far.

47-L=6/6=1=7 lost.............................................................(Os 1-1)
48-W=6/7=2=9 Won-4=5.................................................(Os 1-0)
49-W=5/5=1=6 Won-2=4.................................................(Os 1+5={6}
50-W=4/4=1=5 Won-2=3.................................................(Os 1+6={7}
51-W=3/3=1=4 won-2=2-(6)=4+8={12} profit.........(Os 1+7={8}

(#Note we would have won 24 Units with the Divisor if we had not started again)

Ok Now at First Glance it appears that there is very little difference between Oscars & the Divisor Plan.
After all Oscar won 8 and the Divisor  won 12.
However things are not always as they appear to be.

Lets look at this a little closer.

Divisor outlay was 220 for a win of 12 units....
Oscars was 222 for a win of 8 units.
Divisor won 5.45% on outlay...Oscars was 3.6%
Divisors biggest bet was 9...Oscars was 14
Divisor never had a bet over 9...Oscars had 7 bets of 10 & over
Same amount of bets Yet the Divisor wins 50% more then Oscars.
Now lets turn them into $10 units & that means we have won $40 more.

Good On Ya Mate

Lanky

[TwoCatSam]

Lanky

You know, you're right!  I have neglected two people on this forum: you and mr. j.

I'm going to learn this latest divisor front and back.  Put it away; the wind is not blowing!

OK, first question (Are you sure you're up for this?):

"18-L=8/24=3=27 lost ..................................(Os 5-22)"  Normally 8/24 means "8 divided by 24" but in your case it means "24 divided by 8".  Is that much correct?

Sam

[Lanky]

Lanky

You know, you're right!  I have neglected two people on this forum: you and mr. j.

I'm going to learn this latest divisor front and back.  Put it away; the wind is not blowing!

OK, first question (Are you sure you're up for this?):

"18-L=8/24=3=27 lost ..................................(Os 5-22)"  Normally 8/24 means "8 divided by 24" but in your case it means "24 divided by 8".  Is that much correct?

Sam

Samster.

Your 100% correct Mate.

LeBear woke me up to the fact that you guys do your Division back to front compared to how we were taught at school out here in Australia. ( I guess this would account for the lack of response too Mate)

Yes mate 8/24=3 Means 24 divided by 8=3.

"Put it Back the wind is not Blowing"

Hhahahahahhahahahahah  Rotflmao.

Love Ya Brother.

Lanky

[TwoCatSam]

Lanky

I find this system quite easy to grasp.  Only a couple of questions:


1-L=6/6=1=7 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–1)........you start with an "assumed" loss of 6.  You lose bet #1 and it goes to 7.  Correct?
2-L=6/7=2=9 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–2)........now your bet goes to 2 units and you need 9 to close the trot.
3-L=7/9=2=11 lost........................................(Os 1–3).............now I notice your divisor goes up 1 and you add 2 more units to the win target.

Here's a question:  Is this trot for a 2-1 like dozens? Is that why your divisor goes up 1 every 2 spins?

4-L=7/11=2=13 lost.................................... (Os 1–4)
5-W=8/13=2=15 won-4=11.......................(Os 1-3).................so it would seem as your 2u bet returns 4u here.
6-L=7/11=2=13 lost ...................................(Os 2-5).................I notice your divisor drops by 1
7-L=7/13=2=15 lost ....................................(Os 2-7)
8-L=8/15=2=17 lost ...................................(Os 2-9)..................divisor goes up by 1.

If we're talking a 2-1 bet here, let's just focus on that and I'll ask about 1-1 later.

If I summed up, you start with a divisor of 6 and a win target of 6 which gives a 1u bet.
When you lose a unit, you add that loss to the win target.  Or if you lose 2, 3 or whatever, you add that amount to the win target.
When you lose twice, you raise your divisor by 1.
When you win once, you drop your divisor by 1 and reduce your win target by the amount won.
When you divide, you round up to the nearest unit.

Now, as to the safety brake.  When does it apply?  Is there a set formula, like when the bet gets too high for your comfort?

Well, it's four in the morning here in Oklahoma.  Guess I'll toddle of to bed again.

Your time is appreciated!!

Sam

[Lanky]

Lanky

I find this system quite easy to grasp.  Only a couple of questions:

That's Great Sam


1-L=6/6=1=7 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–1)........you start with an "assumed" loss of 6.  You lose bet #1 and it goes to 7.  Correct?
Yes Correct except that its an assumed Win ( that is yet to be Won )
2-L=6/7=2=9 lost........................................ (Oscars 1–2)........now your bet goes to 2 units and you need 9 to close the trot.
Yes Correct Mate
3-L=7/9=2=11 lost........................................(Os 1–3).............now I notice your divisor goes up 1 and you add 2 more units to the win target.
Yes ..For every 2 lost bets the Divisor goes up 1
And the 2 added units to the Win Target was the lost Bet

Here's a question:  Is this trot for a 2-1 like dozens? Is that why your divisor goes up 1 every 2 spins?
No Mate
This is for Betting on the Evens.
If it was for a single Dozen bet we would put the Divisor up 1 after every 4 lost bets in a row instead of every 2 lost bets.
4-L=7/11=2=13 lost.................................... (Os 1–4)
5-W=8/13=2=15 won-4=11.......................(Os 1-3).................so it would seem as your 2u bet returns 4u here.
Yes Mate Correct 2 Bet and it wins so there is a 4 unit return.
6-L=7/11=2=13 lost ...................................(Os 2-5).................I notice your divisor drops by 1
Yes Mate after every win we drop the Divisor by 1.
7-L=7/13=2=15 lost ....................................(Os 2-7)
8-L=8/15=2=17 lost ...................................(Os 2-9)..................divisor goes up by 1.
Yes Correct again 2 lost bets in a row>>the Divisor goes up by 1.

If we're talking a 2-1 bet here, let's just focus on that and I'll ask about 1-1 later.
Ok so now You know this particular one is for the Even Chances.
If I summed up, you start with a divisor of 6 and a win target of 6 which gives a 1u bet. <<Correct
When you lose a unit, you add that loss to the win target.  Or if you lose 2, 3 or whatever, you add that amount to the win target.
Yes Correct
When you lose twice, you raise your divisor by 1. <<Correct
When you win once, you drop your divisor by 1 and reduce your win target by the amount won. << Yes Mate
When you divide, you round up to the nearest unit. << Yes Again

Now, as to the safety brake.  When does it apply?  Is there a set formula, like when the bet gets too high for your comfort?
Yes You are right on both counts.
The set Formula for the Safety Brake is when the Divisor reaches 2.
Or when the bets gets too high for Comfort.
Eg: you might have something like this.
4/60=15 its too high for you to handle so we do this
2/6
...........
6/66=11 << still too High ? ok then this
2/0
8/66=9 << oh that's better you might say
.........
Or Maybe this
4/60=15
6/6
.......
10/66=7
The difference is that you would require 8 or 10 wins to Target instead of 6.
Common sense & each players tolerance for higher bets will come into play at some time Sam.
The end Result will be the same. You Win.

On any reasonable winning Selection Method.
You Must Win.
(There I have said it.Now watch them come out of the woodwork at Me Samster....They will have Straight Jackets & Butterfly Nets Mate........Lmao)



Well, it's four in the morning here in Oklahoma.  Guess I'll toddle of to bed again.

Your time is appreciated!!

Sam

Its My Pleasure My Friend.

Good On Ya Mate

Lanky

[TwoCatSam]

Lanky

I just posted this under the "what is your calling thread"


This system is working for me for real man!!  he said

He's speaking of the Lw system that Victor and Lanky were told wouldn't work--what??--nearly a year and a half ago.  Sam wrote.


So Lanky's Grind and the Lw methodology will neither work! 

Lanky, as my method of controlling/instructing/slightly punishing myself for loosing around $1,000 I have sworn not to bet real money until October 1st.  When the day comes, I'm going to toss fifty-cent pieces at this system and test it for myself.

Later.......

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, I do have one more question:

If I were using this on a single dozen, I would still add the loss to the win target, and you said to raise the divisor every four spins, but when and by how much do I drop it?  Is it two after two a win?

Sam

[Lanky]

Lanky

I just posted this under the "what is your calling thread"


This system is working for me for real man!!  he said

He's speaking of the Lw system that Victor and Lanky were told wouldn't work--what??--nearly a year and a half ago.  Sam wrote.


So Lanky's Grind and the Lw methodology will neither work! 

Lanky, as my method of controlling/instructing/slightly punishing myself for loosing around $1,000 I have sworn not to bet real money until October 1st.  When the day comes, I'm going to toss fifty-cent pieces at this system and test it for myself.

Later.......

Sam

Yes Sam We know the Lw won't work thats for sure Mate.

109 sessions
4 Break even
2 losses
103 winning sessions.

Now I am worrying about the Divisor working long term as well.
After all its only been in the Family for 30 years.

Good On Ya Mate

Lanky

[Lanky]

OK, I do have one more question:

If I were using this on a single dozen, I would still add the loss to the win target, and you said to raise the divisor every four spins, but when and by how much do I drop it?  Is it two after two a win?

Sam

Sam

For the single Dozens it would be like this Mate.

L-6/6=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost (4 lost bets in a row Divisor up 1 to 7)
W-7/13=2=15 Won -6=9 ( won so Divisor down 1 to 6)
L-6/9=2=11 lost
W-6/11=2=13 Won-6=7 (won so down 1 to 5)
L-5/7=2=9 lost
W-5/9=2=11 won-6=5 (won so down 1 to 4) Etc
W-4/5=2=7 won-6=1 (1 from 6 win target={5} profit)


Good On ya Mate

Lanky

[Lanky]

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