[System/Brainstorming] Applying Lw on a System

[Advantage.Player]

Hello forum,

Time for me to chime in again with what seems as a great (so far) method of playing roulette.

Normally we apply Lw (Literally Famous Now  8-) ) to a SINGLE BET - say we track the Lw's, and after looking at our registry try and predict the next win.

So in a brain wave (I was on the Sofa watching TV and as soon as an advertisement came on i decided to think   ) why not apply Victors Lw method to a system (range of bets).

You see, "traditionally" we use the Lw to scope out the MOMENT to place a bet...

So why not find out a MOMENT to play a SYSTEM (small of course)!

Heres what I'm thinking.

Get the crappiest system on earth (but one thats mechanically sound - simple, easy and has this key feature - it has to lose a considerable amount; hence crappy LOL).

So for this job i chose this - Follow the last column/dozen that was spun with a 4 step progression.

Like this...

Spin - Bet - Cost (Cum) - Win - Profit
0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 2
2 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 3
3 - 4 - 7 - 12 - 5
4 - 7 - 14 - 21 - 7

One thing to point out is with such a short progression you can make it considerably exponential (rapidly increasing profit as we progress with out hitting the max bet) this is good if you want to make LOTS of money fast (and because its the Lw strategy were using here losses are RARE).

So now in virtual play you pretend to play as above (follow the last hit column/dozen with the above progression and if a zero comes up ignore it and revert back the the last hit column/dozen).

Now here's the triggers - if you win (in virtual play) before the progression runs out its charted as a "w" and if you lose (i.e - progression runs out; in virtual play) you chart it as a "L" - in effect a "w" is if our little system works (in virtual) and a "L" is if out little system loses (in virtual)

So after a quick run of actuals this is my pattern...

LwLLwwLnolinksLnolinksnolinksLLnolinksLLwwLnolinksnolinkswwLwwLnolinkswwLLnolinksLLnolinkswLLww....

Note that one outcome; be it a L or a w it may take anywhere from 1 to 4 spins to achieve as a L is a loss which is known after the 4 step in the progression runs out.

So were left with a VERY playable Lw registry that has all the normal features a Lw registry should have (frequent patterns and its share of streaks).

All thats left is to bet via backing the w's as in the original Lw method and thats about it.

So in effect we are applying the Lw method but not to find the time to make 1 bet - but the time to play a system! (In this case follow the last dozen with a progression - works well and profits well).

This still needs testing as I've only run one test for the time being BUT because it uses the Lw method IM SURE its a keeper - i.e works  [smiley=shocked.gif]

Good Luck guys - I'll report back after some more tests.

[Lanky]

AP

Well done Mate.

Thanks For Sharing & Posting You do Cobber.

Lanky

[Advantage.Player]

Thanks Lanky  [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

After further testing today i've made a theoretical $750 after 70ish spins also i got that much so quickly due to the nice winning streak lol! This means 30 wins @ $25 but at my local casino and their max bet of 500 on a col/doz this amount won could be as high as $2100.

i had 30ish wins and only 4 losses in my registry (NEVER lost too! while playing) So far it looks great however i could try a different system to use (instead of follow the last dozen with a 4 step progression)

Any ideas guys for another smallish system to test this idea with? (could also use a "bigger" system but one with a shortened progression too)

[MattyMattz]

Hey AP,

I think this is a great idea/approach.  I'll be glad to do some testing and report back in a bit.  

Cheers,
Matt

[MattyMattz]

Hey all,

just ran a quick test and the results were pretty good!  Details are below:

Spins: 303 (Hamburg 2004 or 2005... can't remember)
End Profit: +18 units
Betting opportunities: 29 (24 wins, 5 losses)

My bets were as follows:
Track as AP mentioned, after 3 consecutive wins, I placed a "real" bet.  After a L, I placed a bet, and after LL, I placed a bet.  Simple as that.  Thinking of using a pluscoup with this (it's working well with my other system lately).  I'll let you know.

1 loss was my LL(bet)
3 losses were my L(bet)
1 loss was my nolinks(bet)

Thanks AP, I'm really diggin' this idea right now.

Matt

[MattyMattz]

Hey,

another quick results post before I jet.  

Spins: 298 (from my own files, local casino, Jan 08)
End Profit: +72 units
Betting opportunites: 26 (23 wins, 3 losses)

Bet the same way as mentioned before, but used a pluscoup progression.  Worked almost too well.  

1 loss was my nolinks(bet)
2 losses were my L(bet)
LL(bet) never lost  [smiley=grin.gif]

Later,
Matt

[Advantage.Player]

Great Results there  [smiley=shocked.gif]

Ive done some more testing of my own and i tried to use the same idea but use a different system. Instead of follow the last dozen i used follow the last Even chance (black/red).

Now in the original Lw method were are covering 24 numbers while we bet. And this leaves us wit ha good Lw pattern to use. So for my variation to work you need to have covered at least 24 numbers before the end of the progression.

So i follow the last dozen with a 4 step progression. This means were covering 12 numbers X 4 times which makes it 48 numbers.

In my recent tests i covered 18 numbers X 3 times (follow last color with a 3 step progression) this means i've covered 54 numbers (kind of too much) so im going to drop it back to a 2 step progression which means we've covered 36 numbers.

So to summarize up until now:

1. Using a "small system" with a small progression (at least 24 numbers should be covered by the end of the progression) play in virtual and establish a Lw registry and look for patterns.

2. Once found, bet for the pattern to repeat its self after the next L (as normally done while playing Lw methods).

Also, so far i found these 2 "systems" to generate good patterns...

1. Follow the last dozen with a 3 to 4 step progression (your choice - if you prefer more betting after a "L" go for 3 steps...if you prefer more betting in "w" streaks go for a 4 step)

2. Follow the last even chance with 2 - 4 step progression (again less progression if yo like to bet after the "L's" or more if you like to bet on winning streaks).

Finally always insurance zero - say at spins X your betting 50 bucks so put a $1.50 to $2 insurance bet on zero.

Good Luck and Happy testing - i know i am!

[Advantage.Player]

...pluscoup progression...

This may be a dumb question LOL :-/ but what is a plus coup progression - don't think i've ever heard/used one.

[admin]

but what is a plus coup progression

Posted here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201658136/

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[admin]

p.s. I like the Binary Money Management more than the pluscoup.

For the even chances, I also like the binary handiling losses like: 100%, 100% , 50%, 0% (virtual play as a mean to cut down long strings of losses).

Also, in my version of the Binary Money Management; on a win you add +1 t current amount (as in the pluscoup) to determine next bet. If lose, then again the:

100%, 100% , 50%, 0%

Rounding down.

Example: We are betting 9 units per color. This is how losing strings are handled:

100% = 9 units.
100% = 9 units.
50% = 4.5 units, rounding down = 4 units.
0% = 0 unit bet => Virtual Play till a hit.

Hope this gives you some points to work on.

Best regards,
Victor

[Advantage.Player]

Ah the same approach in the turbo 456 street system - and +1 unit if you win and still arnt in profit then reset when a new high is reached. Ill try this while testing.

[MattyMattz]

Hey AP and Vic,

thanks for the comments.  I'll be sure to post any results I get. (I really like the binary mm idea).

Cheers,
Matt

[admin]

Matty, I've been in this game long enough to make myself this opinion: ROULETTE IS A GAME OF STREAKS.

There is certainly no use is praying for the negative streak to end magically and be compensated by the positive streak. We don't know the extension of neither of them beforehand, so we better get proficient at "surfing" them: maximizing the potential of the positive streak ( i like the rise as you win part of the pluscoup ), but c'mon, let yourself be spanked by never decrementing and going to virtual on the negative streak? ( as also suggested by pluscoup [smiley=shocked.gif] ).

By not having taken the full impact of the losing streak with binary, then recovery on the positive tram is easier.

If you notice I like to give it a change of the same level of bets ( 100% ) for a cycle of the even chances -2 spins -, it goes in line with ideal-value play. Also the 50% makes it 3 spins. That is 1 cycle and a half, if your location isn't coming in 1.5 cycles, then it can be the start of a long dispersion, you never know. Better go to virtual than let yourself exposed.

And yes, when it concatenates dispersion of hits 3 times... you go to virtual: it is better to make a big pause and wait for the virtual hit in the spin range of what should be your real-money play, since one also doesn't have a clue of how long the string of concatenations will be.

Remember, the human part is only that a fraction of the whole equation of playing. There is always luck in that equation and no matter how good or bad a player can be, the luck part can't be changed.

Some times the best way to surf current dispersion for the session is leaving off the table and call it a day; it is all part of being a proficient player: not letting a bad day wipe you up.



If there is something I want to be remembered for with situational-play it is for this:

[highlight]Surf dispersion, Ride concentration of hits.[/highlight]

...Once you are convinced roulette is a game of streaks!

Best regards.
Your friend,
Victor

[nickzark]

what do you mean lw?

[hermes]

Hi Nickzark,
L means loss, w means win. If you see LLLLLL it means that you lost exactly 6 times and are running to interac (bank) machine for supply. If you see nolinksnolinks you are happy, you won 6 times. LwLLnolinksL is something between.
Welcome to Nuts club.
Hermes

[hermes]

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