Lanky's implementation of Lw's

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Lanky,

Following on from our brief chat buddy, I am very curious to hear what you are doing with the zeros that makes them your best friend. As I said in the chat, at the moment the LLW pattern is all I am playing, so I always count zero as an L. I play aggressive so that LLW or LLLW is always a 1 unit win. However, if I'm recovering from a loss,  I go onto a 6 point divisor-like recovery system - with the exception of hitting LLL. When LLL hits during a recovery session, I bet the W once more (LLLW) with a bet that will only recover me to the position of being 1 unit higher than I was before LLL hit. Under all circumstance, if I get LLLL, I then turn and bet the Ls until I get a W. This way, the only bets you can lose with are on the LLLLW and less so, the LLLLLW pattern. Yet because this happen so rarely and the LLW and LLLW pattern hits are so often, it's easy to recover losses; and when you hit a run of 6 or more Ls, it's pure bliss!  (8 is the most I've seen so far).

After about 10 sessions, I have yet to lose any. Most times I can win my target in a couple of hours, other times it takes longer. Playing with £5 units, I aim for 20 units (£100) a session. I think a £250 stop loss (which I've not yet reached) or 2 consecutive LLLLW or LLLLLW patterns should be an alert (both visually and financially) to leave the table (which has not yet happened to me in over 2,500 spins).

As I said, it is very boring sometimes - you might have to wait 40 spins or more before placing a bet. But the point is this. It's a very solid and reliable method, it does not require huge draw downs and it is working like clockwork for me  .

So anyway buddy, I am going keep going with this system whilst I keep looking for any other, better, ways of tweaking it.

But I am really dying to know how you playing the zero, and also what are the only 2 patterns you currently play?

As always Lanky, I look forward to your post.

Cheers
CD

PS Victor, don't be so humble - take the credit!!!

[LeBear]

Hi Mates,

      Lanky wanted to have me let everyone know that he will not be posting for a few days because he has the Flu.  I just spoke with him by telephone and he sounds pretty rough.  They have him on anti-biotics so hopefully he will bounce back pretty quick.



best regards,

LeBear

[ChickenDinner]

More rantings on the LW on the LD pattern

I forgot to mention an important thing that I think you said in a previous post somewhere: the LLLL deactivates the LLW, when only playing LLW, I wait until it shows up again (once). This avoids getting caught in a potentially devastating (or profit making) LLLLwLwLwwLLLLW L-like trap when chasing LLW and its big brother, LLLW. Also, if I see lots of consequitive LWs showing, 4 or 5 or so, I sometimes try and ride them as side bets, more so to relieve the boredom of just playing LLW! Otherwise I'll sometimes be waiting a very long time before betting, 45mins or longer - working on 10 spins every 14 minutes. However, I'm now starting to think 3 consecutive LWs is too small a number to get onboard them as you can often get caught in a 3 LW and then a LL trap WWWLWWWWWLWWWLWL(L)W, but I'm still enjoying experimenting with this as the big LW runs are too common an occurance to ignore. It is quite fascinating to watch some of the other patterns emerge and what triggers them off. For instance, WWWWWWW (7 or 8 or more) is often a trigger for a run of 4 or more Ls (WWWWWWWLLLLW), so I am thinking of not betting on the first LLW after a big show of Ws. If I had played this way more, my profits would be bigger still. Thanks for pointing me to these interesting little idiosyncrasies. The idea of turning a bad run into a good run by being more trigger cautious or by switching your hunt strategy has stood up well to my testing (I don't have exact figures, but it is now about 3,000 recorded spins in 15-20 sessions) - numbers from a mixture of live, online and recorded actuals. I'd even go so far to say that LW pattern triggers can be more reliable than a UK 5-day surf forecast!

Perhaps I'm starting to get a bit too obsessed by the whole LW thing though...I guess I'll be a lot happier when I have some more concrete-like, hard and fast, rules that will always have me changingmy trigger/hunt method at the very start of a new wave pattern. I know it's like you said, if it works for you now, great. But what works for me 1 week, doesn't necessarily work for me the next, so I go back over the numbers, look at the patterns, tweak it a bit, and retest it (as we all should). Playing only the LLW is more complicated than I thought mate, that is when you also consider the patterns that might follow, how it is triggered, where it might grow and go into a LLLW, LLLLW or a LLLLLLLL. Above all though, the great thing is that LLW is still winning a lot more than it losses & I've not hit my stop loss , but, I want to be more ready for when the tide changes!  Better still, turn it around into a chicken dinner, maybe even a steak dinner with a special dessert

Anyway, talking of this and the zero Lanky, have you noticed that the zero often triggers a consecutive run of Ls or Ws or rows of 4, 5 or 6 (e.g, 0WWWWWLLLLL). I was thinking about this after we chatted. Is this related to how you have started playing the zero? If this phenomenon exists it must be exploited. It could be an interesting way to avoid or hit a profitable run. Something like, after the zero shows, if either a L or W immediately repeats (0LL or -0WW, play it 'til it loses once, and then switch and play the other (swap from L run to W run hunting, or visa versa). Anyway I have not conclusively tested this idea yet but will let you know how it works out. Cheers Lanky, I'll post some Dublin Bet and Spiel bank number patterns when I get a chance.

CD

[ChickenDinner]

I hope you get well soon me'ol mucker (that's Bristol or Brissol style).

CD

[gizmotron]

I don't know what theory it is based on but you are right, the wheel has no memory. Randomness does repeat itself though. You can't ever know when randomness will repeat itself but you can risk a little to see if it is doing that now for you.

You want a method that works? Flat bet, wait for when a winning method starts working for you, then raise your flat bets a little until it ends. Only bet higher levels of flat betting when in stretches of winning.

[witho]

Hello Topman welcom to forum. Victors Lw strategy is based on picking an event that has a high probability of success, and graph the wL patterns. When an L occurs in situation with a high probability of success, then it may be unlikely that it will happen again. Of course its not always that easy, you have to learn how to pick the patterns. Read all of Lanky's posts, and then practise graphing the results of some spins for LD = last 2 dozens hit will hit again.

Eg 5 = 1st dozen   ,  16 = 2nd dozen , (dozens 1 and 2)  then we have 24 = 2nd dozen = win

then 36 = 3rd dozen = loss, so we have wL then last 2 dozens are now 2 and 3.

Try it and you will see it follows patterns.

It is working for me right now, and I learnt all this from reading Victor and Lanky's posts and I thank them for that.

Then you need to practise Lanky;s 6 point divisor plan probably the most underated money management on this forum.

[Steve]

Hi Everyone

I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.

I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.

Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.

This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve

[Lanky]

Hi Everyone

I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.

I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.

Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.

This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve

Hi Steve.

Good Post Mate.

Is your Strategy Based on the.

LD & LC >> the last 2 Dozens or Columns that have just came.

Or The.

JD & JC >> Jump Over the Dozen or Column that has just been spun.(< in this case it would take the same Dozen /Column to hit 5 times to give wLLLL)

??

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

Hey lanky, therer's a mistake that I think you should look at...

9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <----- 13 - 8 = 5 not 4 
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3

[Lanky]

Hey lanky, therer's a mistake that I think you should look at...

9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <----- 13 - 8 = 5 not 4  
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3

Hi Gabe .

Your Right Mate it is wrong.

Its not the 1st ime I have been wrong doing a post and it probably won't be the last time either My Friend........I am Human.

But I do thank You for picking it up for Me Mate...Well done Cobber.

Ok I found the post Gabe ..« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=29.msg878#msg878

Thank You.

Lanky.

[hammy]

Hi Everyone

I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.

I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.

Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.

This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve

Hi Steve,
Interesting post, but why not wait for wLLL, then bet. If it loses triple each time for 3 bets max.
It would take a run of LLLLLL to lose ! ...very rare

It is still alot of waiting  to get wLLL but less than waiting for wLLLL like you are doing.

good luck !
hammy   

[Bo0Merang]

hi  Hammy take  look for 100 - 150 spins for dozens then  you will see that wait  for  more  then  3  l is better like wait just  for 3 depenc on how game  go and experience but on  my opinion4 orr 5 l is quiet  ok you  will break even anyway  but with  not  much progression and  if that  happned

[Lanky]

Hi Steve,
Interesting post, but why not wait for wLLL, then bet. If it loses triple each time for 3 bets max.
It would take a run of LLLLLL to lose ! ...very rare

It is still alot of waiting  to get wLLL but less than waiting for wLLLL like you are doing.

good luck !
hammy    

Hi Hammy.

Mate the post from Steve is a Year old Buddy so it might not get a reply....I hope it does.

Another thing is that I don't think that Steve gets His L's tracking the same way as Victor,I and others do.

I think He does it another way.

Lanky.

[Lanky]

hi  Hammy take  look for 100 - 150 spins for dozens then  you will see that wait  for  more  then  3  l is better like wait just  for 3 depenc on how game  go and experience but on  my opinion4 orr 5 l is quiet  ok you  will break even anyway  but with  not  much progression and  if that  happned

Hi Bo0Merang.

Seeing as though You have come into My thread and have made a comment.

And seeing as You gave no indication as to what or how Your doing things.

You have stated that its on the Dozens.

Now I want to ask You This and its really quite a simple question so there is no reason for You not to answer.

How or what are You talking about in terms of the LD.....or are You talking about the JD. ??

You must have something really really special Mate.....because Steve has said He has a Win rate of 90%.=9/10

In a later post elsewhere on this Forum He said He got it to a 95% Win rate.=19/20

So I am sure We are all waiting for Your Explanation.

Lanky.

[hammy]

Lanky,

Sorry mate ! ... I didn't notice the 2008 date on Steve's post, ya just a tad old ...
I don't come here often, so thanks for the heads up !


hammy ..

[hammy]

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