Lohnro's Double Street System

[ChickenDinner]

Forget that last post........

Is someone/anyone saying the house edge cannot be increased? 

"Check yes or no"...George Strait.

Sam

Yes Sam, insidebet believes the house edge is always 2.7% or 5.4% whether you play the zero or not. What started out as one argument moved into another...I'm going with Winkel on this one, maybe we should open up a new thread on this subject. Obviously people should play the systems they like, but it's a pretty major factor when it comes to deciding whether inside or outside is better for the long term. And I don't think many people know about it. I didn't even think about it until Winkel mentioned it.

[TwoCatSam]

 I can show you a system where the house gets 50% edge.

I think.......

Sam

[ChickenDinner]

I can show you a system where the house gets 50% edge.

I think.......

Sam

That's great Sam. You're really selling it to me...!!! Seriously though, I would be interested. At least then I'll know to avoid anything similar and we can put the house edge argument to bed.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

Scooby posted once about an 8 number wheel and that's what started it.  Let me do the math and I'll post it.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, here goes.

Trying to reduce the wheel to 8 numbers, 7 European.

Place $10 on the first dozen and $15 on the large numbers.  Seven numbers are uncovered.  13 thru 18 and 0.  Now place $1 on any five of those numbers.

Iteration.......

1st dozen hits, you break even.
Large number hits, you break even.
One of your $1 bets hits, you win $6.  (36 minus a total of 30 bet)
One of your uncovered numbers hits, you lose $30.

We will not concern ourselves with the break-evens.

Winners = 5/37 = 13.5% win rate at $6
Losers  =  2/37 = 5.4% loss rate at $30

Over one thousand spins.....

Loses

1,000 X 5.4% = 54 losses X $30 = $1,620

Wins

1,000 X 13.5% = 135 wins X $6 = $810

Seems to me you are flat-betting and loosing 50% of your bankroll.

I could use some help!  Or confirmation!

Sam
Taking of the math professor's hat!

[hamsup_sotong]

hi guys

Im using this system plus my own version of the 50% mm ( well at least i think it is) i started with $750 split into 3 banks of 250 a piece.

As of now im up about to $950 in 2 weeks. But im hitting a brick wall(was at $1268 b4 today) at the moment... will post the results if i get past it.

Question for you guys, when do you call off playing on a bad day? when u finish br? follow ur gut feeling?

Cheers
Hamsup

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Sam, I'm not too sure about the maths either, but one thing is sure: that is a terrible system! By trying to reduce the numbers played, it exposes the player to a disportionate loss when those uncovered numbers hit. I think the lesson here is to make sure a system doesn't have a 'black hole' that can easily wipe out your winnings, even if the risk seems small. I guess the zero, if not part of a system, is like a small black hole that slowly chips away at your winnings over time...

@ Hamsup - set yourself a stoploss of whatever you feel comfortable with mate, i.e 25-50% of the bank roll.

Cheers,
CD

[TwoCatSam]

Dinner

The question is not whether the system is good or bad.....it's terrible!!  It's not a system, even.  It is a mathematical oddity.

The question is this:  If, betting this way, will you lose 50% of your bankroll or is my math wrong.  If it's wrong, show me in mathematical language.

Sam

[ChickenDinner]

Sam - I know it's not a system. I was joking...sometimes you don't really understand my sense of humour mate...! I'm British, so that's understandable...anyway, check the other post...

Cheers,
CD

[ChickenDinner]

Test results from 1st 10 Spielbank Wiesbaden sessions - using Lanky's divisor, Victor's 50% MM plan & betting a max of 1 cycle with virtual play 'surf mode' after a missed cycle (resuming real play after a hit):

1.   22/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £20; 96 SPINS, DD £12
2.   23/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £20; 30 SPINS, DD £8
3.   24/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £26; 45 SPINS, DD £0
4.   25/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £23; 49 SPINS, DD £23
5.   27/8 £20 TARGET: WIN £12; 150 SPINS, DD £47
6.   26/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £29; 136 SPINS, DD £48
7.   28/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £29; 50 SPINS, DD £24
8.   29/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £25; 140 SPINS, DD £13
9.   31/8 £25 TARGET: WIN £19; 108 SPINS, DD £69
10.  2/10 £30 TARGET: WIN £34; 54 SPINS, DD £6


MAIN BANK: £313.5 (starting bank £200)
2ND BANK £113.5
PROFIT SO FAR: £227


Very early days yet (90 more sessions to go), but I'm liking these apples so far, especially the small draw downs. 

Cheers fellas,
CD

[MattyMattz]

Great news CD!  And good use of all the amazing tools found on this forum.  Keep us posted!

Cheers,
Matt

[TwoCatSam]

CD

Work hard!  We 'preciate ya !

Sam

[ChickenDinner]

Thanks guys. When I've hit 100 sessions, I'll then do a control test, betting the single or double streets at random to compare results. That way, I'll able to see if it's the great tools that are winning it for me or the bet selection system itself. Hard work, but well worth the effort I think.

I've just been sacked from a crappy temp job I had - so I'm pleased to announce that I will have more time on my hands for roulette business! 

Cheers
CD

[hamsup_sotong]

hi CD

thumbs up for the results so far. will the rest of the tests be posted in the testing zone?. I'm fiddling with this system as well and the results have been pretty good as well. Should we start a thread there?

Cheers
Hams

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Hamsup,

Glad to hear that your results are also postive. Yes - I think posting results in the testing zone section is best from know on - it keeps the forum organised. I'll post my results there from now on. Feel free to start a new thread if you post yours before I do.

Cheers
CD

[ChickenDinner]

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