Testing G.U.T

[Shorty]

[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
Total,247,+240
[/table]

[TwoCatSam]

Shorty

Thanks for that answer and for using the chart.  Victor was kind enough to create this at my gripe and I feel we all should use it.

I also find 2 vs 3 a good one. 

I don't need your numbers; I trust your accuracy.  Just wanted to try to duplicate on a different wheel.  I will try them with Riverbelle.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

winkel asked this question:

Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

My answer:  The 0 falling and the >1 rising. 

EDIT:  That answer is wrong as it can't happen.

I will have to study the question more.

Sam

[Shorty]

[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
7,43,-52
Total,290,+188
[/table]

[TwoCatSam]

Shorty

I am having a tough time all of a sudden, but then all my tests are not going well.  I think I'm on a personal losing streak.  I will continue to test the 2 v 3 daily and see if I can get something going.

Thanks for your posts.

Sam

[Shorty]

No worries Sam, I hit my first big loss today just before, I'll see how I go tonight. I'll do two or three sessions and see how it goes.

[winkel]

RNG

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 31 36 1 0 0 0
2 20 35 2 0 0 0
3 6 34 3 0 0 0
4 24 33 4 0 0 0
5 20 33 3 1 1 0
6 20 33 3 1 0 1
7 7 32 4 1 0 1
8 21 31 5 1 0 1
9 2 30 6 1 0 1
10 15 29 7 1 0 1
11 34 28 8 1 0 1
12 0 27 9 1 0 1
13 33 26 10 1 0 1
14 24 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 29 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 31 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 17 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 18 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 6 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 6 0 23 10 4 2 2
21 15 0 23 9 5 3 2
22 13 0 22 10 5 3 2
23 33 0 22 9 6 4 2
24 36 0 21 10 6 4 2
25 14 0 20 11 6 4 2
26 19 0 19 12 6 4 2
27 5 0 18 13 6 4 2
28 0 0 18 12 7 5 2
29 2 0 18 11 8 6 2
30 3 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 25 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 15 0 16 13 8 5 3
33 4 0 15 14 8 5 3
34 33 rr -15 15 14 8 4 4
35 5 rr -30 15 13 9 5 4
36 2 -30 15 13 9 4 5
37 11 -30 14 14 9 4 5
38 7 rr -44 14 13 10 5 5
39 16 rr -22 13 14 10 5 5
40 1 -22 12 15 10 5 5
41 6 -22 12 15 10 5 5
42 17 -22 12 14 11 6 5
43 6 rr -34 12 14 11 6 5
44 29 nr -12 12 13 12 7 5
45 0 rr -24 12 13 12 6 6
46 23 rr 0 11 14 12 6 6
47 33 0 11 14 12 6 6
48 34 0 11 13 13 7 6
49 25 nr 29 11 12 14 8 6
50 8 29 10 13 14 8 6


touchbet

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 4 36 1 0 0 0
2 28 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 34 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 31 6 0 0 0
7 10 30 7 0 0 0
8 30 29 8 0 0 0
9 19 28 9 0 0 0
10 13 28 8 1 1 0
11 30 28 7 2 2 0
12 26 28 6 3 3 0
13 31 27 7 3 3 0
14 13 0 27 7 3 2 1
15 33 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 14 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 9 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 14 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 4 0 24 8 5 4 1
20 1 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 6 0 22 10 5 4 1
22 22 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 25 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 31 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 16 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 26 0 19 12 6 4 2
27 31 0 19 12 6 3 3
28 9 0 19 11 7 4 3
29 15 0 18 12 7 4 3
30 4 0 18 12 7 3 4
31 8 0 17 13 7 3 4
32 30 0 17 13 7 2 5
33 20 0 16 14 7 2 5
34 10 0 16 13 8 3 5
35 13 0 16 13 8 3 5
36 2 0 15 14 8 3 5
37 10 rr -15 15 14 8 2 6
38 17 rr 6 14 15 8 2 6
39 26 6 14 15 8 2 6
40 20 6 14 14 9 3 6
41 9 rr -8 14 14 9 2 7
42 23 rr 14 13 15 9 2 7
43 26 14 13 15 9 2 7
44 31 14 13 15 9 2 7
45 2 14 13 14 10 3 7
46 15 14 13 13 11 4 7
47 20 rr 1 13 13 11 3 8
48 11 rr 24 12 14 11 3 8
49 26 rr 12 12 14 11 3 8
50 19 rr 0 12 13 12 4 8


Live

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 26 36 1 0 0 0
2 17 35 2 0 0 0
3 31 34 3 0 0 0
4 17 34 2 1 1 0
5 27 33 3 1 1 0
6 25 32 4 1 1 0
7 19 31 5 1 1 0
8 1 30 6 1 1 0
9 13 29 7 1 1 0
10 4 28 8 1 1 0
11 23 27 9 1 1 0
12 34 26 10 1 1 0
13 32 25 11 1 1 0
14 5 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 33 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 2 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 26 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 25 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 9 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 23 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 13 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 9 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 35 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 10 0 19 12 6 6 0
25 0 0 18 13 6 6 0
26 25 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 2 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 10 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 16 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 32 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 31 0 17 10 10 9 1
32 1 nr 26 17 9 11 10 1
33 28 nr 17 16 10 11 10 1
34 33 nr 43 16 9 12 11 1
35 14 43 15 10 12 11 1
36 27 43 15 9 13 12 1
37 29 43 14 10 13 12 1
38 32 rr 29 14 10 13 11 2
39 8 rr 51 13 11 13 11 2
40 1 rr 38 13 11 13 10 3
41 18 rr 61 12 12 13 10 3
42 12 rr 85 11 13 13 10 3
43 25 nr 72 11 13 13 10 3
44 15 nr 59 10 14 13 10 3
45 22 rr 85 9 15 13 10 3
46 5 85 9 14 14 11 3
47 20 nr 71 8 15 14 11 3
48 19 nr 92 8 14 15 12 3
49 23 92 8 14 15 11 4
50 26 92 8 14 15 10 5


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   437
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
[/table]

[JHM]

Winkel do you have any idea why you're losing on touchebet?

[winkel]

Yes it is due to the clinical way to test: betting every crossing until spin 50. No jump back no stopp!

br
winkel

[winkel]

RNG

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 36 36 1 0 0 0
2 6 35 2 0 0 0
3 26 34 3 0 0 0
4 30 33 4 0 0 0
5 14 32 5 0 0 0
6 16 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 30 7 0 0 0
8 19 29 8 0 0 0
9 21 28 9 0 0 0
10 3 27 10 0 0 0
11 23 26 11 0 0 0
12 34 25 12 0 0 0
13 30 25 11 1 1 0
14 22 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 24 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 12 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 8 0 21 15 1 1 0
18 14 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 27 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 22 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 21 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 26 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 25 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 31 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 26 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 24 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 9 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 19 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 4 0 16 14 7 6 1
30 16 0 16 13 8 7 1
31 33 0 15 14 8 7 1
32 7 rr 21 14 15 8 7 1
33 20 21 13 16 8 7 1
34 27 21 13 15 9 8 1
35 14 21 13 15 9 7 2
36 3 21 13 14 10 8 2
37 4 21 13 13 11 9 2
38 35 rr 44 12 14 11 9 2
39 18 44 11 15 11 9 2
40 13 rr 69 10 16 11 9 2
41 6 69 10 15 12 10 2
42 31 rr 59 10 14 13 11 2
43 36 nr 81 10 13 14 12 2
44 2 nr 68 9 14 14 12 2
45 25 68 9 13 15 13 2
46 17 nr 55 8 14 15 13 2
47 11 55 7 15 15 13 2
48 24 nr 40 7 15 15 12 3
49 9 nr 61 7 14 16 13 3
50 24 nr 47 7 14 16 13 3


Touchbet

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 17 36 1 0 0 0
2 26 35 2 0 0 0
3 10 34 3 0 0 0
4 24 33 4 0 0 0
5 3 32 5 0 0 0
6 34 31 6 0 0 0
7 3 31 5 1 1 0
8 17 31 4 2 2 0
9 10 31 3 3 3 0
10 0 30 4 3 3 0
11 27 29 5 3 3 0
12 33 28 6 3 3 0
13 15 27 7 3 3 0
14 27 0 27 6 4 4 0
15 10 0 27 6 4 3 1
16 5 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 18 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 8 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 23 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 1 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 21 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 23 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 36 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 34 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 32 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 22 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 24 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 1 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 7 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 3 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 31 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 28 0 15 14 8 6 2
33 7 rr -15 15 13 9 7 2
34 33 -15 15 12 10 8 2
35 4 -15 14 13 10 8 2
36 36 rr -29 14 12 11 9 2
37 6 nr -41 13 13 11 9 2
38 21 rr -54 13 12 12 10 2
39 22 nr -30 13 11 13 11 2
40 31 nr -5 13 10 14 12 2
41 13 -5 12 11 14 12 2
42 1 rr -17 12 11 14 11 3
43 5 nr 8 12 10 15 12 3
44 15 rr -4 12 9 16 13 3
45 9 -4 11 10 16 13 3
46 31 rr -15 11 10 16 12 4
47 6 rr -26 11 9 17 13 4
48 35 -26 10 10 17 13 4
49 3 rr -36 10 10 17 13 4
50 14 rr -10 9 11 17 13 4


Live

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Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 25 36 1 0 0 0
2 11 35 2 0 0 0
3 34 34 3 0 0 0
4 14 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 1 31 6 0 0 0
7 28 30 7 0 0 0
8 26 29 8 0 0 0
9 0 28 9 0 0 0
10 23 27 10 0 0 0
11 28 27 9 1 1 0
12 6 26 10 1 1 0
13 19 25 11 1 1 0
14 3 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 34 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 33 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 4 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 17 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 11 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 21 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 34 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 8 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 11 0 19 15 3 1 2
24 4 0 19 14 4 2 2
25 14 0 19 13 5 3 2
26 9 0 18 14 5 3 2
27 22 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 8 0 17 14 6 4 2
29 36 0 16 15 6 4 2
30 14 rr -16 16 15 6 3 3
31 9 rr -32 16 14 7 4 3
32 13 -32 15 15 7 4 3
33 36 rr -47 15 14 8 5 3
34 8 rr -62 15 14 8 4 4
35 16 -62 14 15 8 4 4
36 25 -62 14 14 9 5 4
37 35 rr -40 13 15 9 5 4
38 5 -40 12 16 9 5 4
39 17 -40 12 15 10 6 4
40 26 -40 12 14 11 7 4
41 11 rr -52 12 14 11 7 4
42 24 rr -28 11 15 11 7 4
43 36 rr -39 11 15 11 6 5
44 18 rr -14 10 16 11 6 5
45 7 -14 9 17 11 6 5
46 26 -14 9 17 11 5 6
47 24 -14 9 16 12 6 6
48 34 -14 9 16 12 6 6
49 0 -14 9 15 13 7 6
50 25 -14 9 15 13 6 7


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   [highlight]661[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
[/table]

[winkel]

picture 1: bankrolls of every table and total
picture 2: bankroll of playing game after game

[TwoCatSam]

Look how he went from a high of about 700 down to 400.

Had you started testing at that high point you would see nothing but down, down ,down for many spins. 

Then it's all good again!

Hopefully that is what I am seeing with the 4Selecta and Chicco/murph---just a market correction!

Excellent work, Professor!!  How ever do you make those graphs?  Is there a little program I can download?

Sam

[winkel]

Hi TCS,

don´t forget, that this is the strictly clinical way of testing it.

read the records and decide if you had done all these bets as they werre ordered by the rules.

look at this:

simple additional rule: stop at +40 but try to recover
[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   321    ,   -102    ,   313    ,      ,   
1    ,   -32    ,   37    ,   41    ,   46    ,   46
2    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   3    ,   49
3    ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6    ,   43
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   32
5    ,   -18    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -48    ,   -16
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   113
7    ,   44    ,   -79    ,   59    ,   24    ,   137
8    ,   -10    ,   40    ,   44    ,   74    ,   211
9    ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73    ,   138
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -49    ,   51    ,   189
11    ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   43    ,   232
12    ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79    ,   311
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   337
14    ,   4    ,   -66    ,   44    ,   -18    ,   319
15    ,   45    ,   5    ,   3    ,   53    ,   372
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   469
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   566
18    ,   59    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   72    ,   638
19    ,   -6    ,   -64    ,   -69    ,   -139    ,   499
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   418
21    ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58    ,   360
22    ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80    ,   440
23    ,   29    ,   0    ,   43    ,   72    ,   512
24    ,   44    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   20    ,   532
[/table]

[winkel]

How ever do you make those graphs?  Is there a little program I can download?

Sam

It is an AddIn of Excel

br
winkel

[Shorty]

I did session 8,9 and 10 continuing on from each other. (Tracking back 20ish spins when in profit)


[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
7,43,-52
(8.9.10), approx 100, +85
Total,390,+273
[/table]

EDIT: Made a mistake with the table, the last session was +85, not +73.

[Shorty]

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