Testing G.U.T

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Winkel,
Yep I get what you are saying but I cant seem to make in roads like TCS.
Im playing G.U.T. right now and will post my results for 50 spins when I finish.(The thing is, is that i "GET" why it should work too .I just cant seem to get it too lol)
TSK.

[The Spiders Kiss]

HI,
Had to track back @ spin 39 cos 1's had run away with it..up to that point I was dead even....again...1 betting opportunity on 0v1 crossing and 3 on 2 v>2 crossing .Will keep trying.
Regards to all
TSK

[winkel]

@spider and at all

if you have problems with any kind of trot of spins, just post them here and I will give you my thoughts about it

br
winkel

[Worm]

Dear Winkel would love your input on these numbers:
Dublinbet Table 1
13 dec 2008: down 100 units--recover up to +17 units

23
30
16
29
25
23
9
21
19
11
29
28
15
11
33
7
10
6
28
17
34
30
27
12
26
10
1
23
15
30
32
16
12
36
27
19
15
7
20
35
24
9
24
22
19

Hope this are the right numbers..ah well hope i did something right..

Take care
/worm

[The Spiders Kiss]

Winkel,
Thank you for that.I will take you up.
TSK

[winkel]

Hi worm,

I have 45 spins!

after spin 13 we have 11 numbers thats the binomial deviation
after spin 25 we have 20 numbers which is about 2 number too fast.

in spin 27 we have the first crossing 16-15 0vs1 this is much too early.
spin 26 was a "1" so the run of the "0"s seems to stop.
In a real game I would wait. but if you decided to bet you lose 2 spins.
I would have jumped at this point.

But if you had decided to play the next crossing 15-15 0vs1, you would have lost 2 times.
Also the crossing is running away by spinnin a "1" and a "2" like in the first try.

This is a sign, that we are on the wrong foot, when we have to bet.
After the second loss: definitely jump back!

As you see exactly the same happens with the next crossing 14-14. Remember I said: no third try on the same crossing when the first two tries lost!

Unfortunately the tracker jumps back only 20 spins.
Mostly when we have running "0"s it is a good deal to kill the first 13 numbers and start with spin 14 (here 11 33 7)
This is still fast, so wait for the result of first crossing: this wins. so go on and play this new trot.
If you decide to make another jump it is also ok.


br
winkel

[Worm]

Tank you for your input Winkel, I will inprove my game. I think the reason i didt jump back was the desire to se how the outcome would be..And I am not playing for real money either so I am still learning things here.

As a young person I like to take wisdom from the older guys, no offence

You have a nice weekend now

/Worm

[madupz4]

mad

I've made about 20 tutorial movies detailing every move I make.  They're under testing.  I'll make a couple more if you'd like.

Sam

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long!/

TCS,

I have seen all your movies and appreciate your work!  But many times you didn't follow the rules, you bet a particular crossing like 15-15 3 or more times when it should've only been 2 times.

Other times you have bet more than one crossing at a time, when its really suppossed to be only 1 crossing at a time.

Also, what are your exact rules for jumping back?

Things like that makes what you are doing inconsistent, the same thing you accused Winkel of in the very begining.  So at the end of your testing I would like to know exactly what you are doing in black and white, not sometimes this and sometimes that.

Also, what happened to your GUT testing of RNG, did you stop?

Thanks for your work!

Keep up the good results!

[TwoCatSam]

mad

I do not follow the rules exactly and precisely.  Sometimes I do bet a crossing three times.  Sometimes (always when under 17 numbers) I bet two crossings.  Sometimes I bet three.  I also bet on double crossings and backward (reverse) crossings. 

As to jumping back, I begin to think about that at spin 45.  If I see crossing in the near future, I stay.  If I don't and if things are going badly, I jump.  Today in my first session I jumped at spin 39.

If, in the beginning, I criticized winkel--I apologize.  Sometimes when I don't understand something, I get a bit cranky.  I even said that early on when Wildcard was taking me to "school".

I tried in each of the videos--when I explained a bet at all--to tell exactly why I did what I did.  Sometimes I would say--I know I shouldn't do this, but I am going to anyway.  Sometimes I'm right; sometimes I'm wrong.

While this goes against all logic, I will go back to something winkel said.  "Maybe it's just not your day."  I think that was it.  Sometimes when it's my day, I can do pretty much anything I want and win.  When it's not my day, I couldn't buy a win.

I cannot set out hard and fast rules.  I guess I'm playing by the seat of my pants.  I do try to follow winkel's rules as he set them down, but sometimes I gotta be me.  I think KFS proved beyond a doubt that a computer can't win this game.  I am trying to prove a human can!

I am always up for making a video and letting the world watch over my shoulder.  I will explain each and every bet if anyone wants. 

Sam

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Sam,
I would be interested to watch a blow by blow account of your version of G.U.T. But would you be able to post it on youtube(In bits if required)so I can watch it.I cant see your motionbox videos ,so ,I indeed may be missing something from my play thats holding me back.
Good luck TSK.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello All,

@winkel,
In this thread you say you are testing a version (the clinical version) of G.U.T that...

[highlight]A ... has ironclad rules,
B ... needs no human interactions and
C ... will always give a positive result in the long run[/highlight]

(For a compilation of your claims IN THIS THREAD, regarding this method - the clinical version of G.U.T. - please see
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/questions-and-comments-for-selected-systems/q-and-a-about-the-g-u-t-and-twocat%27s-last-test/30/
My reply is #34, Nov 13, 2008, 10:50:11 PM)

This one, for example, is a nice one:
In reply #127 on: September 22, 2008, 05:36:55 PM

you can simply [highlight]play like an idiot and make wrong decisions[/highlight] the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that [highlight]all your losses are recovered[/highlight]. Sometimes you win some units more.

That sounds like a method I like and would like to learn.
(There are like ten quotes of the same kind, in that compilation - maybe there are more in this thread)

I simply don't want a method where I don't know if the method or my gut-feelings (guesswork) is the reason for winning/losing.
So a method that works like you have claimed, would be excellent!

And as I have never studied stochastics I just HAD to try it.

But first I have to have a complete set of rules, of course.
So, a few months ago, I asked you for those iron-clad rules as I wanted to make a large-scale test.
You replied by giving me the above quoted rules.

After the test was done, you had no objections to the rules I used.
Not even when you saw the result - the usual negative - you had any!

Why should I suspect that you didn't give me the correct ones?


Now I simply want to make people aware of the fact that you are not testing the method using that set of rules - contrary to what you say.

And so the rules are not correct.
NOW you tell me / the board.


Now, winkel, could you PLEASE post the complete set of rules for the method you have been testing here?
The method that...

[highlight]A ... has ironclad rules,
B ... needs no human interactions and
C ... will always give a positive result in the long run[/highlight]

I would really like to learn it, you know.

And maybe I'm not alone... My guess is that there's a LOT of people on this board with the same wish.


Thanks In Advance,
KFS



@Sam,

Man, I really have nothing to say about your results but [highlight]GREAT![/highlight] and maybe I will later be "jealous" of you (well, maybe I am already).
And I really HAVE seen some of your videos (I like your kind of - sometimes - grumpy comments ) and have followed your results in the "way too long" thread.

I like what I see.
And I want you to win more!

Now, if you can see this matter from my point-of-view, you may understand that I feel like winkel has only been spreading disinformation regarding the method - the clinical variation.

I get the feeling that whenever winkel is asked for things regarding THIS version he never gives an ironclad rule.
More like "human interactions"...
Which tells, at least me, that there really are no "ironclad rules" - only a lot of "human interaction".

And because I really want to learn the clinical version, I get frustrated when he in one moment tells me that "these are the rules" and in the next "they are wrong".

And, as I said in the previous post, I cannot see this test as a test of a method - because the method doesn't have rules to test.


I would really be happy if I saw those ironclad rules that take the guess-work out completely.
Heck, he's even said that unintentional errors doesn't matter - there will be a positive end anyway!

Wouldn't YOU like to see those rules, Sam?


Best regards, and may you have a prosperous future, Sam.
KFS

[Handsome1]

I have been reading this forum and I also feeling, that there are no rules for using track4. Sometimes if you are feeling press -20 spin and if you feel lucky keep going. If somebody can really use track4 like making profit it. I really would like to hear clear rules how to use it?

[madupz4]

TCS,

What happened to your testing of the RNG GUT?  Did you stop?  What was the results?

[TwoCatSam]

kiss

I will make a tutorial video, split into nine-minute segments, and post it on Utube.  When I do that, I cannot pause the movie so you will be stuck with fast-forwarding to the pertinent parts.  Otherwise you will have to sit and watch the counter click down and the wheel spin.

The reason I use Motion Box is that they have no time limit on movies.  Why can't you see my videos?  Do others have this problem?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

I have been reading this forum and I also feeling, that there are no rules for using track4. Sometimes if you are feeling press -20 spin and if you feel lucky keep going. If somebody can really use track4 like making profit it. I really would like to hear clear rules how to use it?

Well, there's a fine thank you for ol' TwoCat!!  Grief, man, did you not even take time to watch the videos I posted for you.  I went into great detail on how the Track4 works.  The part "if somebody can really use track4" was especially insulting. 

I think you and I are pretty much done!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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