Testing G.U.T

[See_Jerek]

Well really the GUTS of Gut( intended Deliberate pun) is if you play all crossings it will still win tho at times with drawdowns or eventually learn to be selective it will win better

Winkel you are a gem in this board we need more people like you

Regards Rodney

that is what I feel about the GUT as well but up till now I couldn't catch any balls of it up till now.I hope sam is learning fast,he seems to be picking it up

[winkel]

Hi seejereck,

please do read the main topic from the beginning and you will understand.

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winkel

[winkel]

just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. I suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.

60 unit bet thought it was flat betting

As I understood:

he is booking paralell 5 starting points (we do 1 so far)
if all 5 show a crossing he bets all number of all 5 startingpoints with one unit.
if number 10 is in all 5 he is betting it with 5 units.
So a single table-lay can add up to 60units.

br
winkel

[See_Jerek]

Hi seejereck,

please do read the main topic from the beginning and you will understand.

br
winkel

I will!

[Tucktuckster]

winkel - yes you understood. the 60 units i mentioned was 5 lines in all and some numbers had just 1u on then and some 5u since they were signalled on 5 lines.

Thankyou for all your patience over the past few months to share your wisdom to get here. I still have some modifications to make to my method of play since it is slightly crude, but by and large this looks like i am getting some where.

The next number was one from 5 lines, so if i had bet i would have won 120u being 180 less the 60.

However - the key to GUT is testing and to be patient and to understand how things happen. Caution is key until you start to understand things. Then as you start to understand, explore and explore some more. I am not ready or willing to blindly bet every spin, since preserving my bank is of key importance. maybe as i test more i will bet every spin and every crossing, but i doubt it, since betting a possible crossing on 1 vs >1 when the last 4 were all 1's and the 0's have not crossed is not my preferred crossing.......

I do feel that i have found a way of playing this that i like. It has taken an awful lot of testing and investigation.

The basic game with the gut tracker works. It is imperative to play that and to learn the ups and the downs with that. If you do not experience the down swings with the gut tracker and if you do not witness the recovery you cannot move to other effective implementations of play. Likewise - you need to explore some of the incorrect implementations to understand what works and what doesnt work to get to an end game you are happy with.

The proof is in the results. i will play again tonight and this weekend and will post results. I am highly confident my way of playing will produce good results so will wait and see what happens.

[TwoCatSam]

tuck

Are you saying that you start a Tracker and then on spin 5 you start another tracker?  Just an example.  Maybe you said 10.  winkel says he can jump back every number with his software.

Surely you are using this on RNG as you could never get all those bets down in the allotted time.

Sam

[JHM]

just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. I suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.

60 unit bet thought it was flat betting

Don't you make it real hard on yourself to bet all crossings like this? Isn't it more easy to bet 4x more as usual on a 15 nr bet? Than you also bet 60 units and the situation will come lots of sessions.
As I understood:

he is booking paralell 5 starting points (we do 1 so far)
if all 5 show a crossing he bets all number of all 5 startingpoints with one unit.
if number 10 is in all 5 he is betting it with 5 units.
So a single table-lay can add up to 60units.

br
winkel

[See_Jerek]

tuck

Are you saying that you start a Tracker and then on spin 5 you start another tracker?  Just an example.  Maybe you said 10.  winkel says he can jump back every number with his software.

Surely you are using this on RNG as you could never get all those bets down in the allotted time.

Sam

Sam, a software tracker will be really helpful.From my understanding bj007 is cracking his brains to come up with one isn't it?

[Tucktuckster]

i use a spreadsheet. on the spreadsheet i have 30 live start numbers. so assuming i have watched 50 numbers, then strand 1 has 50 numbers with number 1 as a start point and strand 30 has number 20 as a start point and is just 20 numbers long.


i do not advise just playing all numbers and putting more chips on - such as 4x on all. if a number has 1 crossing play 1 chip. if another has 6 crossings, play 6 chips. if you put the highest amount on all numbers you are not playing the crossings. test and see.

i play single player rng since then time is no object. you press spin when u are happy.

[Natural9]

i use a spreadsheet. on the spreadsheet I have 30 live start numbers. so assuming I have watched 50 numbers, then strand 1 has 50 numbers with number 1 as a start point and strand 30 has number 20 as a start point and is just 20 numbers long.


i do not advise just playing all numbers and putting more chips on - such as 4x on all. if a number has 1 crossing play 1 chip. if another has 6 crossings, play 6 chips. if you put the highest amount on all numbers you are not playing the crossings. test and see.

i play single player rng since then time is no object. you press spin when u are happy.

Can  you show us a worked example Tuck

Regards Rodney

[Lohnro]

This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

[Natural9]

This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

wow very impressive nonoe has beenable make it fail yet

Sure it fluctuates but still is steady on the up dunno why some others go on the crap about the 2.7% disadvantage

Seems to me all those testing it haven't had any real severe downturns they can't actually get over no bank roll killer sessions

[Lohnro]

Seems to me all those testing it haven't had any real severe downturns they can't actually get over no bank roll killer sessions

That is partly true. Note from session about 1400 to session about 2100 in the graph. That is approx 700 sessions and approx 42,000 spins until I reach a new bank high. Playing for real money, not too many people could ride that out! Not too mention the time it would take.

[Tucktuckster]

is very hard to post an example. my spreadsheet is a work in progress and i am still modifying it and it has many sheets. i cannot really put the numbers and say the decisions since there is too much data.

my session tonight was 100 spins. the rng was throwing up some oddities. at one point there were 14 zeros only after 25 spins. i think it wanted some money back. i ended at +293. there were some drawdowns, but the crossings had to come. at one point i was more up (around 320) but it fell back to around 200 before going back to 293 and then after 5 spins and no bet i thought okay - time for a rest.

[Advantage.Player]

Thanks for the testing Lohnro.

I was testing GUT and at the same time trying to work out a stop loss area which was not that good to do as I was finding it buy when I lost all my money! Any way I normally test GUT for 50 spins but one session I kept going and then it tanked. Any who, I got from 0 to 3500+ (1K spins) then I started to extend session times which caused the loss.

Lesson learned. No more than 60 spins per session and as you said stop on -60. I'll try my testing now with 50 spins sessions and -50 stop loss.

Lastly how did you test it? Programmed a computer or did you actually play 2.5K sessions?

[Advantage.Player]

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