Testing G.U.T

[Lohnro]

Lastly how did you test it? Programmed a computer or did you actually play 2.5K sessions?

I have a mate who is a excel expert! I can paste the numbers or use the excel random numbers so 1 session takes about 30 seconds to test! There are a few bugs from time to time, so when they are ironed out I will post the spreadsheet in the downloads section!

[Advantage.Player]

Awesome!

If its 2 UPG profit that we make, you can live quite comfortably if you play 1 session every day....with $100 units! Or play more crossings.

Could the spread sheet play more crossings too?

[See_Jerek]

This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

This is impressive![smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

[Lohnro]

Could the spread sheet play more crossings too?

I have spoken to him about this. I will try for:-
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

Cheers

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

@winkel:

I see that some use a max loss...

F ex above "Limit losses to -60"...
Meaning BR = -50, next bet is 12 numbers = we can't make the bet??

You didn't mention it when we talked about the rules - is that not important?


Also: If a bet is lost and there is NO other crossing to bet: Do we re-bet?
(Up to a 36u loss)

Please reply soon.

TIA
KFS

[winkel]

Hi KFS

use my rules of the clinical test:

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

br
winkel

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Thanks!


KFS

[winkel]

@lohnro

nice test.

is it an automatic test (partially coded) or do you watch and make decisions?

I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules

to what this enormous downswing is due I cannot discuss:
is it possible that it is because you play til spin 60?

Can try to explore that?

br
winkel

btw:
it has recovered, hasn´t it?

[JHM]

Hi KFS

use my rules of the clinical test:

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

br
winkel

Winkel,

Do you advice any progression?

9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) Win
Total -9-9-9-8+35=0

9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 18) Win
Total win -9-9-9-16+70=29

[winkel]

from the beginning I said: FLAT BET

[See_Jerek]

from the beginning I said: FLAT BET

And that is the reason why I am impress with the results so far

[Lohnro]

@lohnro

nice test.

is it an automatic test (partially coded) or do you watch and make decisions?

I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules

to what this enormous downswing is due I cannot discuss:
is it possible that it is because you play til spin 60?

Can try to explore that?

br
winkel

btw:
it has recovered, hasn´t it?

Hey winkel

It is an automatic test. All I need to do is load the numbers and record the result. No decision is made!

The massive drawdown in the middle I believe is nothing more than statistical variance, it more or less has to happen!

[Tucktuckster]

todays session was perfect.

just 38 spins in all and most crossings went first or second time. reached +195 and thought that was close to enough to my target of 200u to stop and so did.

why push things. it would have got to 200+ but spin 39 had no crossing so i can go wake my boy up and we can have a nice sunday afternoon.

so 3 session now on RNG. I think the key to this test could be if the rng still wins if the stakes are raised. I guess that will prove whether rng = fixed or whether rng = same as real wheel. thats another debate i know, but personally i do not see rng as slot machine that pays % but rather is same as real wheel but plays slightly differently.

I suspect that there is little point in me looking for tweaks in the way that i am now playing. I just need to sort out my spreadsheet. I hope this continues.

Thankyou Professor Winkel for your genius.

[Herb]

Why are you still testing this one?

KFS already tested it over a million trials.  He showed that it loses as expected at close to -2.7%

[winkel]

Why are you still testing this one?

KFS already tested it over a million trials.  He showed that it loses as expected at close to -2.7%

He did it just to please you, that you can leave this topic with a smile on your face.

[winkel]

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