Testing G.U.T

[Handsome1]

Where is the tutorial for this program?

[Clint]

Here you go Handsome1. It's in the Full Systems section

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-holy-gral-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/

You really only need the first three pages to learn.

Regards

Clint

[Handsome1]

Thanks a lot of tutorial...It takes some time to learn system. It is not for every one, but may be it is better

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hello winkel,

(and all)

I congratulate you to your positive result for those 96 dates.
Very nice result.
Indeed!

It is, however, NOT a test of the "CLINICAL" variation of your method.

You know; you posted in reply #77 (in THIS thread) on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM:

   
But [highlight]this is a clinical test with iron rules[/highlight], just to show it wins more than it loses [highlight]even with no human interactions[/highlight]...

As well as in reply #194 on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM:

[highlight]this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it.[/highlight]

Just so everyone is clear over this:
The posted results are NOT from using the [highlight]"CLINICAL"[/highlight] way with iron rules and no gambler's intelligence.

At least you did NOT use the rules you gave ME and SAID were the clinical way.
Those rules were (I quote from my test-thread in case you don't remember):

Columns to use:
=0 vs =1, >1 or =2
=1 vs >1 or =2

A crossing is:
a) The "=0" or "=1" column is equal to one or more of their respective "vs"-columns
b) The "=0" or "=1" column contains 1 number more than one or more of their respective "vs"-columns

Consider any crossing where the bet is < 18 numbers.

Select the crossing to bet as the one that gives the highest added value
(f ex 13-12-12 bet 13 as 13+12=25 whereas 12+12=24)
if conditions are met by more than two columns.

Select the leftmost column to bet if there are more than one to choose from.

Stop at +40u or better.
Do not pass spin #50.
(Thread replies #25 and #26)

Later he added an instruction I interpreted as:
"Do not bet more than 36u on a losing column even if the trigger is the same."

Your test INCLUDES a LOT of "GAMBLER'S INTELLIGENCE" ( = [highlight]your gut-feelings[/highlight]) that you use in close to every session (and maybe includes unintentional errors as well).
It is really a pity that you didn't test the TRUE "clinical" way, like you said you were, as those bets on your gut-feelings cannot be done by any one but yourself. The test is not replicable, because of this. (Replicability = the basis for all testings)


So your test is about testing YOUR gut-feelings and really nothing else...


Nevertheless; your GUT-feelings seem very reliable. Well, most of the time anyway


So, I took the liberty to run the same 96 dates you used (and Table #3 - the live table you used), in the same program as I used to test your method the last time, as now it is (or at least should have been) possible to compare our results.

The 96 dates were run using the above quoted rules exactly - your claimed "clinical way".

And this was the result:

TOTAL Number of sessions: 96
TOTAL Number of bets: 857
TOTAL Bet units: 9869
TOTAL Number of hits: 280
TOTAL Won units: 10080

TOTAL NET in units: 211

Average units pr bet = 11.51575
Total number of bets = 857
Total number of hits = 280

Standard Deviation = +0.979

Again I congratulate you to your positive result...
(and I really did post it )


Of course 857 bets are nothing in a real test...
Both you and I know that, winkel.
But if you're interested in how your results differ from the "clinical" way, here is a table for each session:

[table=,]
Sess #   ,Winkel's res   ,Clinic res   ,W-C diff   ,W-C Tot   ,W-res = C-res
[highlight]All[/highlight],[highlight]+734[/highlight],[highlight]+211[/highlight],[highlight]+523[/highlight],[highlight]+523[/highlight],
,,,,,
1,+55,+57,-2,-2,
2,-26,-26,0,-2,=
3,-22,-48,+26,+24,
4,-1,-60,+59,+83,
5,-16,-23,+7,+90,
6,+15,+44,-29,+61,
7,+71,+12,+59,+120,
8,-2,-24,+22,+142,
9,+2,-46,+48,+190,
10,-49,-11,-38,+152,
11,+153,+49,+104,+256,
12,+25,+8,+17,+273,
13,+56,+43,+13,+286
14,+110,+41,+69,+355,
15,+3,-48,+51,+406,
16,+2,+2,0,+406,=
17,+26,-44,+70,+476,
18,+103,+40,+63,+539,
19,-64,-10,-54,+485,
20,-4,-21,+17,+502,
21,+42,+59,-17,+485,
22,+1,-13,+14,+499,
23,+92,+50,+42,+541,
24,-14,-14,0,+541,=
25,-111,-132,+21,+562,
26,+35,0,+35,+597,
27,+73,+45,+28,+625,
28,-9,-10,+1,+626,
29,+23,+45,-22,+604,
30,+84,+62,+22,+626,
31,-37,-37,0,+626,=
32,-10,-10,0,+626,=
33,+35,+8,+27,+653,
34,-93,-113,+20,+673,
35,+61,+41,+20,+693,
36,+108,+61,+47,+740,
37,+43,+44,-1,+739,
38,-47,-82,+35,+774,
39,+24,-9,+33,+807,
40,-75,-59,-16,+791,
41,-107,+44,-151,+640,
42,-19,+58,-77,+563,
43,+22,-13,+35,+598,
44,+92,+47,+45,+643,
45,+13,-60,+73,+716,
46,+94,+21,+73,+789,
47,+32,-30,+62,+851,
48,-56,+62,-118,+733,
49,+63,+1,+62,+795,
50,+66,+49,+17,+812,
51,+1,-46,+47,+859,
52,-33,+49,-82,+777,
53,+32,+42,-10,+767,
54,+55,+41,+14,+781,
55,+26,+40,-14,+767,
56,-76,-76,0,+767,=
57,-10,+13,-23,+744,
58,+109,+47,+62,+806,
59,-77,+40,-117,+689,
60,+104,+24,+80,+769,
61,+70,+55,+15,+784,
62,+5,-4,+9,+793,
63,+23,+4,+19,+812,
64,+8,+19,-11,+801,
65,-115,-82,-33,+768,
66,-21,-21,0,+768,=
67,-27,-8,-19,+749,
68,+9,+27,-18,+731,
69,-88,-4,-84,+647,
70,-18,-18,0,+647,=
71,-39,-77,+38,+685,
72,-92,-85,-7,+678,
73,-11,+45,-56,+622,
74,0,+48,-48,+574,
75,+53,+56,-3,+571,
76,+21,-39,+60,+631,
77,-11,-60,+49,+680,
78,-71,-10,-61,+619,
79,0,+2,-2,+617,
80,+43,+7,+36,+653,
81,0,-2,+2,+655,
82,+22,-83,+105,+760,
83,+44,+55,-11,+749,
84,-95,-83,-12,+737,
85,+37,+41,-4,+733,
86,-69,-37,-32,+701,
87,-14,-11,-3,+698,
88,-58,+14,-72,+626,
89,+1,+58,-57,+569,
90,+51,+55,-4,+565,
91,+63,-71,+134,+699,
92,+74,+60,+14,+713,
93,-63,+24,-87,+626,
94,-4,+17,-21,+605,
95,+20,+50,-30,+575,
96,-7,+45,-52,+523,
[/table]


Regards,
KFS

PS
I noticed I've been nominated for a "best of 2008" (thanks Kingpin)

[winkel]

It is, however, NOT a test of the "CLINICAL" variation of your method.

The difference is quite easy to define:

In your "test-rules", which are not the "clinical rules" you have a "stop-rule" which I don´t have in my tests.
and what I didn´t see, was that with your test-rules you started betting on 2vs>2 very early which I don´t do. I start with that after spin 25. There might be some differences due to handbooking as well. Crossings not seen or anything like that.

to compare:
Live40-40 means stop at +40 or -40
Live 40 means stop at +40 or spin 50

Code Select Expand

Live40-40 Live40

41 41
15 15
-29 -7
-30 -8
-70 -24
-29 17
30 76
74 120
30 122
-15 73
40 128
65 153
108 196
152 240
155 243
157 245
183 271
226 314
183 245
179 241
221 283
222 284
265 327
218 313
178 202
213 237
256 280
302 326
325 349
365 389
328 352
348 372
383 407
333 314
379 360
429 410
473 454
426 407
450 431
497 478
447 371
428 352
450 374
497 421
543 467
592 516
624 548
581 492
634 545
683 594
684 595
651 562
693 604
734 645
760 671
710 595
700 585
747 632
706 555
665 659
720 714
725 719
748 742
763 757
716 642
665 621
624 594
633 603
592 515
574 497
533 458
491 433
448 422
448 422
496 470
517 491
473 480
429 409
429 409
472 452
472 452
494 474
452 518
405 423
363 460
314 391
273 377
232 319
233 320
284 371
347 434
408 495
367 432
427 492
447 512
404 505
447 548
492 593
473 574
473 574
473 574
473 574


my results refer to 3 Tables:
Live Table Wiesbaden Nr. 3
Touchbet1 Wiesbaden Nr. 8
and RNG CasinoClub Table 1 French Roul.

br
winkel

[TwoCatSam]

KFS

Thanks for that post.  Be me for a moment!  I sit down at this machine, having pumped $201 up to $1152 using $1 bets.  The family knows.  Friends know.  Every time I sit down I have to ask myself if it was all luck.  If It was, I watch my money disappear, tell the wife she'll have to pay for the floor herself, tell the kids and grandkids it was all a fluke.  It's tough to even sit down.  I find myself wanting to rake leaves to keep from playing.  OK, you can quit being me now.

Every encouraging word keeps my spirit buoyed.  Thanks to you and to Max for what he said.  I wish more people would dedicate a month of their life to learning this.  

I'm working on "Pencil-and-paper Track4" and it's beastly easy to use.  

Sam

[winkel]

sorry I posted the bankroll

Here the daily results

[table=,]Live40-40   ,   Live40   ,
473    ,   574    ,
41    ,   41    ,
-26    ,   -26    ,
-44    ,   -22    ,
-1    ,   -1    ,
-40    ,   -16    ,
41    ,   41    ,
59    ,   59    ,
44    ,   44    ,
-44    ,   2    ,
-45    ,   -49    ,
55    ,   55    ,
25    ,   25    ,
43    ,   43    ,
44    ,   44    ,
3    ,   3    ,
2    ,   2    ,
26    ,   26    ,
43    ,   43    ,
-43    ,   -69    ,
-4    ,   -4    ,
42    ,   42    ,
1    ,   1    ,
43    ,   43    ,
-47    ,   -14    ,
-40    ,   -111    ,
35    ,   35    ,
43    ,   43    ,
46    ,   46    ,
23    ,   23    ,
40    ,   40    ,
-37    ,   -37    ,
20    ,   20    ,
35    ,   35    ,
-50    ,   -93    ,
46    ,   46    ,
50    ,   50    ,
44    ,   44    ,
-47    ,   -47    ,
24    ,   24    ,
47    ,   47    ,
-50    ,   -107    ,
-19    ,   -19    ,
22    ,   22    ,
47    ,   47    ,
46    ,   46    ,
49    ,   49    ,
32    ,   32    ,
-43    ,   -56    ,
53    ,   53    ,
49    ,   49    ,
1    ,   1    ,
-33    ,   -33    ,
42    ,   42    ,
41    ,   41    ,
26    ,   26    ,
-50    ,   -76    ,
-10    ,   -10    ,
47    ,   47    ,
-41    ,   -77    ,
-41    ,   104    ,
55    ,   55    ,
5    ,   5    ,
23    ,   23    ,
15    ,   15    ,
-47    ,   -115    ,
-51    ,   -21    ,
-41    ,   -27    ,
9    ,   9    ,
-41    ,   -88    ,
-18    ,   -18    ,
-41    ,   -39    ,
-42    ,   -25    ,
-43    ,   -11    ,
   ,      ,
48    ,   48    ,
21    ,   21    ,
-44    ,   -11    ,
-44    ,   -71    ,
0    ,   0    ,
43    ,   43    ,
   ,      ,
22    ,   22    ,
-42    ,   44    ,
-47    ,   -95    ,
-42    ,   37    ,
-49    ,   -69    ,
-41    ,   -14    ,
-41    ,   -58    ,
1    ,   1    ,
51    ,   51    ,
63    ,   63    ,
61    ,   61    ,
-41    ,   -63    ,
60    ,   60    ,
20    ,   20    ,
-43    ,   -7    ,
43    ,   43    ,
45    ,   45    ,
-19    ,   -19    ,
[/table]

[The Spiders Kiss]

I have been studying this and playing this for approx.3 weeks on and off. As ive stated elsewhere I never seem to go anywhere with it.My bankroll goes up and down and evens out.I cannot reach the same results that Sam has.
Fair play to all those achievers with the  G.U.T. but I am not one of them 

[Worm]

Hi spider kiss, do you follow Winkels rules? +40 or max 50 spins?

[madupz4]

I have been studying this and playing this for approx.3 weeks on and off. As ive stated elsewhere I never seem to go anywhere with it.My bankroll goes up and down and evens out.I cannot reach the same results that Sam has.
Fair play to all those achievers with the  G.U.T. but I am not one of them 

Same for me, I tested in extensively on RNG and it was never consistent, I always ended the day right where I started!  I can't understand TCS's success?  I hope after his testing he can elaborate on specifically what he is doing as far as jumping back, knowing when to quit, how many crossings to bet on at the same time (even though it's only suppossed to be one) etc.....

[TwoCatSam]

Guys

The 50-spin rule is very important.  I seldom go beyond 50 and if I'm not liking the way the Track4 looks, I'll jump.  Today I jumped at spin 39 because it looked so bad.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

mad

I've made about 20 tutorial movies detailing every move I make.&nbsp; They're under testing.&nbsp; I'll make a couple more if you'd like.

Sam

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long!/

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Worm,
I always jump back  max 50 spins.I also jump before if Tracker is looking bad.I cant believe how many times Ive played and the 0's just dont seem to hardly move.
TSK

[TwoCatSam]

kiss

..and sometimes the zeros will move like crazy.  And the one's line will be twice as long as the others.

Sam

[winkel]

Hi spiderkiss and TCS,

both scenarios do the same:
either they don´t give you any crossing, or the give you a nice crossing-game

@spiderkiss-scenario: nice crossings on 1vs>1 or 1vs2 or 2vs3
@TCS-scenario: nice crossings on 0vs>1 or 0vs2 or 0vs3

br
winkel


sorry had spider twice in the name

[winkel]

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