Testing G.U.T

[TwoCatSam]

madupz4

I was using that thing enrique posted--my version--went up to over $800.  Be it right or be it wrong I am going to say this:  The RNG went after me. 

I want to say here, a true RNG is a different story.  What these casinos have are NOT true RNGs.  They are computer programs which produce random numbers until you start to win and then they look at the bets you have down and place the puck where you are not. 

When I was first betting, I hit double streets time and time again.  After I topped at $800+ the double streets started to repeat.  What ever double streets I was on, the last one to hit--the trigger--would hit.  This happened so many times, it was clear what was happening.  So I went to $1 bets and started betting on the double street that had just hit.  Guess what?  They stopped repeating.  The next day I tried the enrique system and the double streets started to repeat.  Once again I stopped and started betting on the one that had just hit and the repeats quit coming.

Now, along the way, I would stop betting entirely and put in the "dummy bet" and spin 100 times to get a fresh perspective.  It did not matter.  The RNG did the same thing.

After I lost $350.00 using the enrique method, I went to the G.U.T.   The Track4 looked nothing like what I was used to seeing.  Never once!  I don't think I ever hit a crossing. 

After that I went to the Three Group method of Ronjo's that Lanky posted.  Could not buy a winner.

In conclusion, I have "tested" RNGs all I care to.  If see_jerek or anyone else can win on them, power to them.  I cannot and I won't waste more money trying.

I did not want to post this as winkel said he can win on RNG; makes no difference.  Possibly, as a test, one could load a thousand numbers from an RNG like at Random.org and it would work.  Random.org is not trying to win money and therein lies the difference.

Sam

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Sam,
I have no idea why i cant see your motionbox videos.I click the link and my browser says done but the page is a complete blank.I did post a thread requesting help but after an initial help from Victor I heard no more.
Thank you for youtube-ing Sam.
TSK.

[Worm]

The Track4 are a great program but i think some people here think that the program itself will make money for them then they got it all wrong...
You need to know something about general betting and have a feeling for it. yes you need to work! welcome to the world..

Sam I like your videos explaining the program..keep up the good work

[TwoCatSam]

KFS

Yours is the toughest to answer.  First, thanks for all your positive comments and the way to disagree without insulting.  Unlike many (me) you actually read enough to know what is being said by the poster.

I do not wish to insult winkel, you see!  That is my problem.  

Yes, I would like to see an ironclad set of rules.  (Mr Chips has them for the 4Selecta.  I absolutely have them for my Chicco/murph.)  Frankly, I don't think they exist!  I don't think they can be written and followed to the letter, so any computer program is destined to show the G.U.T. a looser.

Why do I bet two crossings?  I learned a long time ago--in horse racing--you can bet against yourself repeatedly and win.  When I bet a 15-number crossing and a 4-number crossing I am only betting two chips more than the 17/16 crossing.  Time and time again, I've won one the 4-number and then won on the 15-number the next spin.  I don't mean a few times but many.  

Why do I bet a crossing more than twice when I shouldn't?  I look at the zeros with 14 numbers to bet.  They have not hit in six spins and I give it a third try.  Many times I win.  I know it's "Gambler's Fallacy", but the longer they go without hitting, the more likely they are to hit.

I get very grumpy when things don't go my way.  I am trying to smooth out my emotions--not too low; not too high.

As to mistakes and dumb judments, winkel is right on.  I have missed crossings for many reasons; crossings I should have bet.  I have got my mind twisted and bet the 14/15 crossing, which doesn't exist.  I've learned to look three spins ahead and know when to excuse myself for coffee (damned decaf) and whatever.

You and winkel are both quite intelligent men.  I ask a question:  Should the student never try anything except that which the teacher has taught?  Should he never try to add something new to the body of knowledge?  We probably wouldn't even have fire!!  Raw beast, anyone?

The G.U.T. has definite peaks and valleys.  I think what I'm learning is to recognize which I'm in at any given time.  What I'm doing with the G.U.T. is to apply what I've learned from winkel, VLS, Lanky, Mr Chips, Ronjo and others.  

In conclusion, I am very happy with the G.U.T. as it's worked for me.  My bankroll is $1160+ in profit.  If this thing breaks down, I will--to say the least--be devastated.  My wife is so impressed, she actually wants to pull money out of the stock market and invest it in roulette.  No pressure on Sam there...no sireee...

I've said too much but I'll say this:  I'll help anyone I can (who does not insult me) in any way I can.  

Sam

[winkel]

@all

first of all thanks to TCS. He has done a lot of work to put into practice what I gave in theory.

@TCS,
I don´t mind the way you are betting. The thing I always wanted the people to follow was: Look what is going on. You put it into perfection. If you bet situations I wouldn´t, I don´t mind. That is a big point in this strategy: Do what you think that it suits you.

@KFs and others:
Rules: There is only one rule: Wait for a crossing.
additional:
- Excercise (using tracker4) by betting every crossing
- Look what is going on
- Then make decisions using the hints I gave. Main thing: YOU have to have a good feeling doing so!

If you look at the charts I posted, you will find me using the clinical testing rules. These are only made up to prevent people from telling I´m cheating by betting when I would win and not betting when I would lose. Nobody would believe that I made a decision and it was right.

So I proofed, that "betting every crossing" gives you the chance to win.
After excercised enough, every one open minded will see my hints are worth a lot and is able to follow them.
That is what TCS did. If you watched his videos you remember him often saying: "... What winkel said!"

This is not a strong system, it is only a strategy with a trigger. But you have to check if the trigger is worth to bet or not.

If you are a couch potatoe starting with 10$ wanting 1000000$ at the end of the day, just leave this thing alone, it is nothing for you.
Every millionaire has to work for his money hard and tough.

so:

Read the first pages of "Holy Gral or the Great Universl Theory G.U.T"
Use "Tracker4.exe" by droidman (Big job you did, thank you for that)
Watch the tutorial videos of TCS
Watch the videos of TCS´s Live Games

and if you then don´t see a point, just leave it.
but if you are open minded, you have a good chance to win and having a nice time betting this strategy.

br
winkel

[madupz4]

madupz4

I was using that thing enrique posted--my version--went up to over $800.  Be it right or be it wrong I am going to say this:  The RNG went after me. 

I want to say here, a true RNG is a different story.  What these casinos have are NOT true RNGs.  They are computer programs which produce random numbers until you start to win and then they look at the bets you have down and place the puck where you are not. 

When I was first betting, I hit double streets time and time again.  After I topped at $800+ the double streets started to repeat.  What ever double streets I was on, the last one to hit--the trigger--would hit.  This happened so many times, it was clear what was happening.  So I went to $1 bets and started betting on the double street that had just hit.  Guess what?  They stopped repeating.  The next day I tried the enrique system and the double streets started to repeat.  Once again I stopped and started betting on the one that had just hit and the repeats quit coming.

Now, along the way, I would stop betting entirely and put in the "dummy bet" and spin 100 times to get a fresh perspective.  It did not matter.  The RNG did the same thing.

After I lost $350.00 using the enrique method, I went to the G.U.T.   The Track4 looked nothing like what I was used to seeing.  Never once!  I don't think I ever hit a crossing. 

After that I went to the Three Group method of Ronjo's that Lanky posted.  Could not buy a winner.

In conclusion, I have "tested" RNGs all I care to.  If see_jerek or anyone else can win on them, power to them.  I cannot and I won't waste more money trying.

I did not want to post this as winkel said he can win on RNG; makes no difference.  Possibly, as a test, one could load a thousand numbers from an RNG like at Random.org and it would work.  Random.org is not trying to win money and therein lies the difference.

Sam

TCS,

I agree with you about RNG, I've NEVER had any success with it!  Now that I see you are in the same boat, I'm ready to scrap it.  I want to give the GUT a try and test it on a live wheel like you do and see if I will have the same results!  What Live online casino do you reccommend that accepts US players and will let you play in practice mode before depositing money?

Thanks

[TwoCatSam]

mad

I recommend Bella Vegas, All Jackpots or Riverbelle.  However, to see the wheel, you must deposit some money.  I think $20 will do it.  I use Visa Debit for my deposits.  No problem.  Bella and All have a .50 per number minimum; Riverbelle has a $10.00 per number minimum.  Riverbelle is on of the oldest and most respected casinos on the web.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

kiss

As I type the original video, the Track4 tutorial, is being uploaded to Utube.  I split it using a video splitter!  It is a good video and I don't think I could make it better the second time.

I will now split the second Track4 tutorial and post it.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

All......

You may find the Track4 Tutorials here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/the-track4-tutorials-on-utube/

These productions are not as clear as they are on Motion Box.  Sorry about that.

Sam

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Sam,

The reason I only comment your play in positive words - and I forgot to write this above - is simply because you are using a completely different method than the "clinic G.U.T."

You are consistently making decisions - decisions that should not, according to winkel, be necessary with the "clinic G.U.T."

I am certainly impressed by your results and I wish you continous profit.
Really.
(I just noticed your new ATH )


What I'm looking for is the method winkel claims to have been tested here.


OF COURSE the student shall always try to do things different from what the teacher says.
As long as he has listened to what was taught in the first place.

But the student must also be comfortable with the teacher and believe in what is taught.
But when what is taught again and again contradict - what is one to believe?
The first or the second way?

winkel actually did it again, in these last posts...


My regards to you and the wife.
(But don't let her use the stock market money - not quite yet, anyway )

Have a nice week-end.
KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

winkel,

What am I to think..?

First you look at my testing-rules and you say they are OK.
This one in particular:

* Consider any crossing where the bet is < 18 numbers.

I asked you for the "clinical rules" and you said this was one of them.
So I test according to that rule.
First the large-scale test and you didn't remark then.

Now you write, in Reply #283 on: Yesterday at 01:36:56 PM

you started betting on 2vs>2 very early [highlight]which I don´t do. I start with that after spin 25[highlight].

So, that was wrong, then. OK.

But now, only a few posts later, in Reply #313 on: Today at 04:23:30 PM you write

So I proofed, that "[highlight]betting every crossing[/highlight]" gives you the chance to win.

NO YOU DID NOT!
You are NOT "betting every crossing" - you wrote so just a few posts above!
...

In that same "yesterday" post, you write:

The difference is quite easy to define:
In your "test-rules", [highlight]which are NOT the "clinical rules"[/highlight] you have...

(my caps)

You are obviously quite aware of the "clinical rules" and in what way they differ from my test-rules.
"The difference is easy to define", you write.

So I ask you again (for which time?) if you could please "easily define" ALL the differences in clear text.
Please.

It sure is possible as you write, in that very same post:

me using the clinical testing rules. These [highlight]are only made up to[/highlight] prevent

"These are only made up to..." - so they really do exist.

Please please please post!


You also wrote some things in the "today" post about using Tracker4 etc.

Everyone doesn't run PCs, first of all.
I don't.
So I can't use it.

* I HAVE studied the COMPLETE thread, and this thread too.
* I HAVE written my own tracker in HTML, and posted it on this forum.
(It may give a lot of over-flow information but it surely doesn't show less than neceessary.
But I cannot show when to bet, unfortunately...)
* I HAVE shown a way to record spins in a B&M casino, and how to use such recordings the G.U.T. way.

I don't think you should write to me as if I'm ignorant of your method.
After all; you are aware of my knowledge...

But the advanced method TCS is using is not of any interest to me.
As I wrote to you, above, I simply don't want a method where I don't know if the method or my guesswork is the reason for winning/losing.

Simply because any guesswork can go any way any day.

So I have asked you numerous of times for the set of "clinical rules" you have used for this test. That's all.
You still claim you use that set.

But you refuse to show those rules.

But then you mustn't call it "proving something".

[highlight]Without ANY possibility to verify your claims, there simply is no proof of anything.[/highlight]


Have a nice week-end winkel,
KFS

[winkel]

Hi KFS,

I tried to check the differences between you and my results.

e.g. Day 3 + 4 on Live-wheel, Cannot find your results.
As I checked my results I found errors by not seeing a crossing. also I added to bet very early 2vs>2

so my results are now:
day 3

Code Select Expand

1 36 36 1 0 0 0
2 1 35 2 0 0 0
3 28 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 26 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 27 31 6 0 0 0
7 21 30 7 0 0 0
8 6 29 8 0 0 0
9 33 28 9 0 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0 0
11 12 26 11 0 0 0
12 28 0 2 / 26 10 1 1 0
13 29 0 1 / 25 11 1 1 0
14 1 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 15 0 0 / 0 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 30 0 0 / 0 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 0 0 0 / 0 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 23 0 0 / 0 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 11 0 0 / 0 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 12 0 1 / 0 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 2 0 0 / 0 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 28 0 2 / 0 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 30 fr 2 1 V -2 -2 19 14 4 3 1
24 10 0 0 / 0 -2 18 15 4 3 1
25 33 0 1 / 0 -2 18 14 5 4 1
26 4 0 0 / 0 -2 17 15 5 4 1
27 3 0 0 / 0 -2 16 16 5 4 1
28 3 rr 16 1 V -16 -18 16 15 6 5 1
29 13 rr 16 0 G 20 2 15 16 6 5 1
30 0 0 1 / 0 2 15 15 7 6 1
31 11 rr 15 1 V -15 -13 15 14 8 7 1
32 16 rr 15 0 G 21 8 14 15 8 7 1
33 32 0 0 / 0 8 13 16 8 7 1
34 36 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 8 1
35 11 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
36 28 0 3 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
37 11 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
38 25 0 0 / 0 8 12 16 9 7 2
39 12 0 2 / 0 8 12 16 9 6 3
40 32 0 1 / 0 8 12 15 10 7 3
41 32 0 1 / 0 8 12 15 10 6 4
42 5 0 0 / 0 8 11 16 10 6 4
43 27 rr 11 1 V -11 -3 11 15 11 7 4
44 23 rr 11 1 V -11 -14 11 14 12 8 4
45 36 0 2 / 0 -14 11 14 12 7 5
46 7 0 0 / 0 -14 10 15 12 7 5
47 0 0 2 / 0 -14 10 15 12 6 6
48 4 fr 6 1 V -6 -20 10 14 13 7 6
49 19 nr 14 0 V -14 -34 9 15 13 7 6
50 32 fr 6 3 v -6 -40 9 15 13 7 6


day 4

Code Select Expand

1 26 36 1 0 0 0
2 15 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 31 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 30 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 30 7 0 0 0
8 26 30 6 1 1 0
9 4 29 7 1 1 0
10 13 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 27 9 1 1 0
12 33 26 10 1 1 0
13 10 25 11 1 1 0
14 34 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 34 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 24 fr 1 0 V -1 -1 24 11 2 1 1
17 21 fr 1 0 V -1 -2 23 12 2 1 1
18 21 fr 1 1 V -1 -3 23 11 3 2 1
19 8 fr 2 0 V -2 -5 22 12 3 2 1
20 0 fr 2 1 V -2 -7 22 11 4 3 1
21 16 0 0 / 0 -7 21 12 4 3 1
22 27 0 0 / 0 -7 20 13 4 3 1
23 4 0 1 / 0 -7 20 12 5 4 1
24 11 0 0 / 0 -7 19 13 5 4 1
25 28 0 0 / 0 -7 18 14 5 4 1
26 22 0 0 / 0 -7 17 15 5 4 1
27 33 0 1 / 0 -7 17 14 6 5 1
28 25 0 0 / 0 -7 16 15 6 5 1
29 7 rr 16 0 G 20 13 15 16 6 5 1
30 2 0 0 / 0 13 14 17 6 5 1
31 25 0 0 / 0 13 14 16 7 6 1
32 19 0 0 / 0 13 13 17 7 6 1
33 10 0 1 / 0 13 13 16 8 7 1
34 6 0 1 / 0 13 13 15 9 8 1
35 23 0 0 / 0 13 12 16 9 8 1
36 11 0 1 / 0 13 12 15 10 9 1
37 17 0 0 / 0 13 11 16 10 9 1
38 8 rr 11 1 V -11 2 11 15 11 10 1
39 28 rr 11 1 V -11 -9 11 14 12 11 1
40 3 rr 11 0 G 25 16 10 15 12 11 1
41 9 0 0 / 0 16 9 16 12 11 1
42 24 0 1 / 0 16 9 15 13 12 1
43 34 0 3 / 0 16 9 15 13 12 1
44 4 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 11 2
45 11 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 10 3
46 10 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 9 4
47 21 rr 9 2 V -9 7 9 15 13 8 5
48 30 rr 9 1 V -9 -2 9 14 14 9 5
49 25 nr 14 2 V -14 -16 9 14 14 8 6
50 3 nr 14 1 G 22 6 9 13 15 9 6


can´find your results:
[table=,]
Sess #   ,Winkel's res   ,Clinic res   ,W-C diff   ,W-C Tot   ,my revised results
,,,,,

3,-22,-48,+26,+24,-40
4,-1,-60,+59,+83,6

[/table]

pls check

br
winkel

[The Spiders Kiss]

Sam,
As per usual you are a very helpful "young" man.I thank you for posting those videos in youtube format and I have studied them.
I wasnt betting on any crossing until I had bet on one from 0v1(thought this was stated somewhere but may be I got it wrong).
I also wasnt using gamblers intelligence.I was just betting as per the crossings dictation cos I thought  this was the way to do it also.
I will try again using your tips.
Again ,my heartfelt thank you Sam,
TSK

[TwoCatSam]

TSK

I am in contact with Motion Box.  No one should be unable to see my videos.  Or everyone should be able to see my videos.  A better wording.

I am glad you learned and I'm always around to help, especially since that "young man" comment!!

If you have any questions or want more tutorials, just let me know.

Sam

[madupz4]

mad

I recommend Bella Vegas, All Jackpots or Riverbelle.  However, to see the wheel, you must deposit some money.  I think $20 will do it.  I use Visa Debit for my deposits.  No problem.  Bella and All have a .50 per number minimum; Riverbelle has a $10.00 per number minimum.  Riverbelle is on of the oldest and most respected casinos on the web.

Sam

TCS,

Is Bella Vegas the one you are using in your motion box videos?

Thanks

[madupz4]

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