Group Play with a difference

[cps10]

I guess it depends on how much you win before it does finally bottom out. So far this group play has been good.

[Talesman]

I tried the plan on what I consider a 'tough-to-win" actual 00 file.

The first win was a piece of cake.  Made 42 units betting 2 units each on the 9 (table mins. and all that). But very last two numbers were 8 & 9 before the 8 was eliminated.  When you play or in testing have you ever tried betting the final two numbers left if they were like the ones above, the 3-number group?  If so, were the results good or worse?

[cps10]

I haven't tried that yet, but in the last group of spins I reported above, I re-ran them with Rev's progression, and won nearly 1,200 units in that same amount of spins, with 28 spins out being the highest drawdown I've seen.

[Talesman]

1200 is a lot.  Good going!  Was it scary?

For me, in real life, getting ahead at roulette by a 100 or more when playing my normal game usually has me coloring up and heading elsewhere.  Unless I do that in the first 1/2 hour.  Then I'll stay but will not lose more than 1/2 of my gains.  Generally I like to play live rouette for about 1 hour at a time.

There is a lot to be said about 'hit & run' - mostly good stuff. <g>

[cps10]

It was just a test...so it wasn't as scary as it would have been on the table. The lowpoint that I had during that one 28-spin losing streak was 900 units. So, it's a big swing, but the ROI at that point is over 120%. I will continue testing like I have been in previous posts, but will also incorporate this Rev progression to see if I can get past 4800 units just to see if it can hold up. Something tells me that if flat betting is still above water, the Rev progression could win a lot of money on Finals in a short amount of time.

[TwoCatSam]

All......

I have a method of playing this system whereby you create a "rolling" method of play.  It is based on my "New Eyes On The Marquee" idea.  Basically you track a total of ten charts at one time.  Very, very easy to do!  Let's say you are betting on the 0 10 20 30 and it wins.  Now you just move to the next chart where those four numbers were there with another four and cross them off.  Now you have four new ones.

I have cleared it with Pat to post this and link the Excel sheet.  I will explain how it's done, but you can probably figure it out from just looking.

It does NOT change the system; it just tracks multiple bets.  Anyone interested?

Sam

[cps10]

Very interested Sam...thanks for looking out for us!

[hoper35]

Sounds good, Sam.  I'd be very interested in playing this system that way.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

The chart is attached. 

This is very simple to use.  We will read left to right just as you're doing now.  I will call the groups of numbers "Pages".  We begin with the top/left page.

I started with the Microgaming wheel where you can see 12 numbers on the marquee.  Depending on your preference there are two ways to start.

1.  Start with the number at the bottom of the marquee.  That is the oldest number.  It goes to Page 1, top/left corner.  Mark through the four numbers.  The next number also goes to Page 1, but also to the page just to the right.  It now becomes Page1.  Each newest number goes to the blank page immediately to the right of the one you just marked.  As soon as you mark through a line of numbers, that page is page 1.  Page 1 has one line marked out.  The next page is the new page.  Say your bottom four numbers were 0 1 2 3.  Here's how it would go

0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30   Look at the zero.  If you never hit
1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31   another zero group, that line will
2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32   stay and eventually become the
3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      line you bet on.  Think about it!
4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34
zero                       one                            two                       three
 
     
If there were no repeaters, that's the way it would go.  But there are repeaters.  let's let two repeat. We start at left/top and mark the two line and all others until we hit blank page and we mark it too.  It is now page 1.

0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30
1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31
2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32
3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33
4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34
           
                                                         
0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30      0   10   20   30
1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31      1   11   21   31
2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32      2   12   22   32
3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33      3   13   23   33
4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34      4   14   24   34
5   15   25   35      5   15   25   35      5   15   25   35      5   15   25   35
This is now page 1


Here's the simple way to remember it.  Only on the first number used---------mark upper/left and stop.  The second number comes, mark upper/left and the first clean page to it's right.  Then upper/left,next and first clean page to right.  The u/l box will be filling up.  Each one to it's right will have one more mark and the one to his right, one more mark and so on until you get to a clean page and you make your last mark and its page 1.  After a while if you get lots of the same numbers the pages will become duplicates.  Mark a large X over it to show it's dead.  Do that with all but the last duplicate as it is alive. 

What you get for doing is........as soon as you win your bet, look to the page to the right and theres your next bet.  No waiting or recounting; you've been doing it all along.  Try it a few times and you'll like it.

Sam

[Talesman]

I really liked Tony Dean's method as posted over at VIP.

I'll try to relate it as best I can.

Tony said to wait until a final appeared on an accurate marquee (correct spelling, BTW, as a "marquee" is a sign whereas a "marquis" is a title of nobility) within 2 or less of each other then bet that final for up to 7 spins.  Now he never defined exactly what "2" was so we had to surmise.

Ex: 0 15 2 18 31 22.  There I'd bet the final of "2" as the 2 and 22 are separated by two numbers.

Usually a d'Alembert works as a progression and helps keep the BR in check. I generally quit any progression once I am in higher profit.

Tony also only bet on one qualified number at a time. I bet all the qualified numbers as they appear.  You never know which will win.  That sometimes requires pencil and paper tracking so be prepared.

His method works exceedingly well on my collection of 00 actuals and has yet to fail me in live play. Albeit some days I have to spend more time at a table than I care to in order to come out ahead (of previous profits).

The original post in this thread isn't all that shabby either.  Both deserve a try. 

Get rich and famous.

[bobbybobby]

aah.. Tony Dean... i have bought his system before last time way back in VIP.  hehe..

sort of works on European Wheel.  lost the file since  :-)


cheers to all, happy winning!
BobbyBobby

[TwoCatSam]

Talesman

.... marquee (correct spelling, BTW, as a "marquee" is a sign whereas a "marquis" is a title of nobility)

Thanks for that!  Now if I can just keep "lose" and "loose" straight!

Sam

[coolpaddy]

Hi all,

@Mr Chips, thank you for the alternative sets, I agree that finals have mixed rates of success. There are some other ingredients which can be added to the formula which may or may not improve the consistency and profitability. This post is very much a work in progress and not a finished and final system - Hopefully the end product will be a stronger, consistent winning strategy.

@Talesman, thank you for benefit of your wisdom and sharing your experience of finals play.




                                                               Best regards           

[coolpaddy]

Hi Sam,

I like the spreadsheet idea, I will be giving it a good test run asap. Please email me the template.




                                                   Best regards

[TwoCatSam]

OK and thanks!

[TwoCatSam]

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