Q & A about the G.U.T. and TwoCat's Last Test.

[xman1970]

@ 2Cats

For someone who has stopped his caffeine intake after 56 years that was a very very mellow reply 

@ kompressor

Sorry dude  looks like it was a waste of time......

[winkel]

Hi TCS,

just stop testing. As I won´t explain the more advantage rules, the betting you are doing so far is "luck". You bet two triggers at the same time, you bet more than 50 spins, and so on..

please stop before you lose your money.

br
winkel

@ Winkel,

So you let 2Cats test for months & then tell him

"your betting lucky"

&

"I won't explain the advantage rules"


that's poor form Winkel 

As far as I'm concerned shame on you.....

Not impressed.....

please read my post again. I explained why he is playing on luck.
That I don´t explain the more advantage way (I partially did in the main topic) is due to my absence to this forum.
BTW: I never said to anyone he should play this with real money before he tested it on paper and learned all of it.
When I gave advantage hints, I was told I were cheating and lying and telling contradictions. If you follow the tests and movies of TCS you will hear or read: Just as winkel said.

I´m flamed enough. I always told: These are just the basic rules to get used to it.

So I´m not ashamed.

Perhaps if anyone is testing it a lot and reading all my words he will get the idea of it. and he will know how to use my statistics.

[Proofreaders2000]

Hey Winkel, don't let a few disparaging posts discourage your work.  I think there is great merit to what has been accomplished here.  You said that a biased wheel could hurt the system performance.

I tested systems on Dublinbet (with great success) and Riverbelle (which I have had the most trouble),

I have reason to believe that there is a bias at the Riverbelle Wheel.
Moreover, they change dealers at Riverbelle and systems are dealing with outside forces (aside from the wheel itself.)

Different muscle strengths (especially from dealer changes), unintentional (or intentional) tilts of a Roulette Wheel, (even 0.5 degrees) of a tilt, can change statistics significantly.

[Natural9]

 Winkel why worry bout a few this is an open forum and the admin I guess has be careful how he censors If you were  over at
GG it would be far worse hey they even complain there bout VLS because they cant get away with what they want to say bout people with new methods to try or test

It is funny really as this is  supposed be open but if was really open youd have such a rabble in here disparaging everything  everyone good and bad .

Dont worry bout the flames there is only one or two of emm  most peopel in here are interested in what you hve to say
If the people like same prove your are wrong or right that be good enough for me as I think Sam and others like mr Chips  are honest and above board

Anyhow I have said my 2 cents worth

Regards Rodney

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi all,


winkel wrote above:

BTW: I never said to anyone he should play this with real money before he tested it on paper and learned all of it.

That's correct; he never said that!

... Did he ever say "Test it on paper before you play with real money"?

NOT in this thread anyway - his own GUT-test thread:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/


HOWEVER, he said this in that thread:

In reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 02:55:38 PM

I just wanna show, that [highlight]you won´t loose your bankroll[/highlight].

In reply #43 on: September 12, 2008, 05:21:39 PM »

the both lists show that this strategie [highlight]is able to recover losses[/highlight]. Flat bet no progression needed.

In reply #64 on: September 15, 2008, 07:19:14 AM

Hope you see and learn: Even if your decision are wrong sometimes and you loose like this, [highlight]You will always come back[/highlight]!

In reply #77 on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM »

   
But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show [highlight]it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions[/highlight]

In reply #127 on: September 22, 2008, 05:36:55 PM

On the other hand I told already: you can simply [highlight]play like an idiot and make wrong decisions the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that all your losses are recovered[/highlight]. Sometimes you win some units more.

In reply #184 on: October 01, 2008, 09:11:42 PM

This is not a strategy you win every session you start, but [highlight]over all you will stay winning[/highlight].

In reply #194 on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM

There may be times of losses, but [highlight]long term it wins more often than it loses[/highlight].
this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it.

In reply #201 on: October 16, 2008, 02:54:31 PM

and again: [highlight]any decision you make is okay[/highlight]. You will lose this time and win next time, as long there is a crossing.

Reply #206 on: October 16, 2008, 06:26:55 PM

[highlight]The winning is due to the crossings[/highlight] not to the decision you make to bet or not.

In reply #209 on: October 16, 2008, 08:08:10 PM

that doesn´t matter, because [highlight]another crossing later on will recover that possible loss[/highlight].

Those quotes are not really telling you to NOT "play this with real money before he tested it on paper", are they?


But then I showed the results of our tests...
And so he writes in reply #262 on: October 25, 2008, 11:26:24 PM »

[highlight]I can´t recommend anything[/highlight]. every spin-row acts different. [highlight]Your decision is needed,[/highlight]

But then; what about reply #77 above:

   
But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with [highlight]no human interactions[/highlight]

? ?

/KFS

PS
Have a look at what he himself writes in
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/kfs%27-gut-test/
regarding my[highlight] clinical[/highlight] GUT-test:

Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 11:06:00 AM

You suggested the rules for a test you KNOW would end positive.

what did you expect? [highlight]that I tell straight away it will lose?[/highlight]

[Natural9]

Kon-fus-ed im confused now lol

Winkel can you unconfuse me

BTW i went to your forum is here a program you can used to translate the text

[xman1970]

@ Winkel

First off I was NOT "disparaging" you GUT system at all....

The way I read it was that you stated 2cats was being "lucky" & that U "won´t explain the more advantage rules"


That what your post said....

Now to me that means that you have "moved the goalposts" (changed the rules) & left 2Cats & all those other people testing it (for OVER 2 months) swinging in the wind.

You have every right not to tell of your "advantage rules"

But I think you should of told them the way they were playing was not the best....

KFS's reply implies that you have a "plaster for every sore"


I just feel sorry for all those some people that have wasted all that time.....


@ Proofreaders2000

again, I wasn't "disparaging" the GUT system at all....

IF U had read what a typed in reply 25, you would know this......

[TwoCatSam]

All...

KFS went to a lot of work to cut and paste all of those quotes into this thread.  Thank you, KFS.

I can honestly say--with clear conscious--all I want to do is prove winkel RIGHT.

I will continue to play the G.U.T because----it's fun!  Do I want it to succeed?  Yes!  But if it doesn't, I'll still have fun trying.

There is a by-product to this G.U.T.  While sitting and waiting I study the wheel.  I am learning more about dealers than I ever have before. 

I have no animosity toward you winkel.  I have never poked fun at you.  Do I get frustrated?  Yes, I do.

I'm good if everyone else is!!

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

I think you have proven Winkel right TwoCat.  However, isn't a "Grail" supposed to work for anyone, not just one or two people?

[TwoCatSam]

Proof

A "Holy Grail" would work for everyone.  Frankly, I'm not even sure it works for me.  When and if I hit the $1,000 mark in my test, I may have something to say. 

Sam

[Boo_Ray]

[table=,]
Date,         W/L ,        Grand Total 
11.21.8.2 ,  27.50 ,  401.50
11.21.8.2,   33 ,  434.50
11.22.8.1,   119 ,  553
11.23.8 ,  12 ,  565
11.24.8.1 ,  <61> ,  492, Here you should have 504
11.24.8.2,   62 ,  554
11.24.8.2 ,  103 ,  657
[/table]

[TwoCatSam]

Boo_Ray

You are right.  Sometimes I can't even add and subtrack, even while using a calkulatur!!

My bottom figure is almost always right, within a few dollars.  I am going to start posting screen shots of my finals.

Thanks

Sam

[kompressor]

keep doing this good work mate 

[TwoCatSam]

kompressor

Thank you!  In my first session today I went up $114 and stand at $771 on my climb to $1,000.

Where's winkel??

Sam

[cps10]

Sam,

You might have answered this already, but you had said your high drawdown is 89, when in one session you said you were down 102? Perhaps the 89 was because it was 178 units on a 0.50 bet? If that's the case, this has been great man!!

[cps10]

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