HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[Carlitos]

Marven, we appreciate your postings 







Carlitos 

[JHM]

Given 15 units, every session start with 1 unit. You have 15 sessions. You decide when to bet and where to bet. Do you think you can make 4 straight wins? Than you win. I think this is good possible.

Take the advantage of randomness, pick a table where you see a serie like:

rrr/bbbbb/rrrrrr/bb/rrrrrr/bbb/rrrrr/bbb->r we have a switch here from black to red, follow the table/serie and bet r.
hhhh/llll/hhh/ll/hh/llll/hhh->L we have a switch here from high to low, follow the serie bet low (1-18)
oo/eeee/oooo/eee/oo->e we have a switch here from odd to even, follow the serie bet even

Start with 1 unit, double with the casino's money, if you can win 4 in a row you're up 16.

Do you think you can make 1 serie of 4 wins in 15 chances?

Just did a little test with wiesbaden spins on colors.

First unit, loss -1
Second unit, bet 1 won, leave table, bet 2 won, leave table, bet 3 won, leave table, bet 4 won.

Did some more testing, all failed.

[pighead]

Maven, I am not giving up. I donot think we work hard enough yet to find the answer. It seems like HansHuckebein was right.. he referred to the movement of the results.

on page 5, What does "Movements" mean ?

A.         It means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see movements of results across the table. If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet [/size]

what exactly  it mean by "trapping more winners than losers against the odds paid"?

[WARRIOR]

pighead movement means follow the last result lets say you make a street bet you follow it until you have a win street 1 comes in follow it as it changes keep following it .against the odds  means a street is a 11 to 1 bet  .

[Marven]

Marven, we appreciate your postings 

Thanks mate.
Just sharing my take on this.

Cheers!

Maven, I am not giving up. I donot think we work hard enough yet to find the answer. It seems like HansHuckebein was right.. he referred to the movement of the results.

on page 5, What does "Movements" mean ?

A.         It means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see movements of results across the table. If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet [/size]

what exactly does it mean by "trapping more winners than losers against the odds paid"?

Hi pighead,

I will try to quickly answer you with my take on this.

Imagine this situation:

There is a machine in front of you that throws baseball balls to you at the same time.

This machine throws exactly 37 balls in one second.

In our imaginary situation, you naturally have exactly 18 hands, each hand wearing a baseball glove and can catch one ball.

In the way Charles states it, you ought to find a way to catch (trap) the balls in a way that the number of balls that you catch will be greater than the number of balls missed by at least 1.

How would you do this?
How would you make 37-19=19 ?

But wait! Here we are trying to beat the maths, and Charles says that we shouldn't, that we should forget about the odds for a minute and focus on beating the game.

(Now the math people only see math, and will naturally say: "But it's a game of MATH! Duh!)

Let us recall Charles' words:

Betting in any game where randomness governs, any fixity is guaranteed unprofitable. Roulette is truly random. Do not be fooled by "reading" past results and believing you have spotted a pattern you can rely on.

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the GAME...not the maths.
A winning bet takes care of the maths automatically.

OUR BET IS A SIMPLE "TRAP" BET.

A BET THAT TRAP ENOUGH WINNERS TO GIVE EACH SESSION A VERY GOOD PROFIT.  WE LOVE RANDOMNESS!   STOP LOOKING AT THE MATHS.
IT TRULY IS THAT SIMPLE !

Charles also says that the great majority of players are not losing because of the house edge, but because they fully expose them selves to losing cycles. These 'ordinary' players are not aware of the 'cycles' within roulette. Strategy players are.
The same thing Manrique once said. See for yourself: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls%27-notes/manrique/msg26136/#msg26136 (thanks Victor for sharing Manrique's words with us).

OK, let's focus on the game once again:

The game of Roulette produces a flow of random 'outcomes'.

In these random outcomes there are:
1. Series Outcomes: Or what we call 'Streaks'. This is what Charles means by 'Runs'.
2. Mixed Results: This is what Charles means by 'Changes'
(there is also Cross Combination results, but he says: "There is no such thing as "Cross combination results" They are simply past results that anyone can see".

Now look at this:

Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

These runs/changes ARE the 'movements' we are looking for!

There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both.

Charles sometimes refers to his 'bet' as the 'Hidden Factor System'.
He says that there is the First Factor, the obvious one that we all see which is the maths, the odds placed by the house against us. And there is the 'Hidden Factor' which he defines as:
"THE HIDDEN FACTOR: The second factor under the rules of chance is streaks. Games of chance involve cycles of luck both good and bad. (...) Cycles of luck are more important."

He also talks about dispersion surfing, saying:

Losing streaks will occur under any system.  The player must be able to ride out any and all losing streaks.

Trust me guys, this is nothing but pure strategy play.
There is no big secret.
He is talking about trapping the cycles within the random outcomes of roulette. THAT is his bet.

Those 'cycles' are what we strategy players rely on to win.
Those cycles are the natural/inevitable product of randomness. That is why Charles said "We love randomness".

If you want some more info on this, please have a look at these posts by Victor found here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/figuring-out-the-%27train%27-concept/
Unlike Charles, he is willing to share with a more practical and applicable information (not that I'm ungrateful to Charles for his ideas though).

I said this before and will say it again: There are two types of players that I know of who can win consistently playing roulette, VB and bias players, and strategy players (Yes, proper strategy play coupled with clever money management can make you win).
Both ways require learning and dedication.

I said I won't be posting as much about this, but this one was worth it.

These, however, are just my views guys. Nothing fancy. I am just as you.

I am however glad with the track I'm on, and I wanted to share with you what led me to such track.
If nothing else, then it is a real challenge and fun as well, and what is life without those?

All the best,
Marven

[pighead]

Hi Maven and Charles,

thank you for very detailed explanations.

Maybe you are right, Like Kungfu Panda Po said: " there is not Secret Ingredients"

Charles was just playing JD and JC to trap the changes.


PH

[redhot]

Nice post Marven, looks like you are on the right track mate. I'm starting to think that any decent system can be a long term winner when combined with the right money management.

[WARRIOR]

marven that was well said im interested what kind of play do like. regards

[HansHuckebein]

thanks marven, great post.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-bet-without-debating-who-are-frauds/15/

this is where new ken played a very successful session following mr. hampshires hints. a little later in the post ken says that he follwed the movements on the table and always played 18 numbers.

I've tried to deduct something from this session but haven't gotten very far until now. maybe you guys could also take a look at it?

[madupz4]

does anyone know how exactly New Ken played?

[JHM]

Madupz (and other guys who are interested in Ken's bet). Ken and I had contact per PM, as we both had our ideas for the consistant winning bet. Suprisingly we both had come to the same bet in the end, it's the following. Check last number hit. Leave out that ds (double street) and column. You'll play 20-21 numbers. Decide for yourself to play zero or not.

Ken please correct me if I'm wrong, or you have found another bet.

[madupz4]

and how has your testing performed using that bet?

[Carlitos]

.........JHM not to offset you but Ken says he only plays 18 numbers inside 





Carlitos 

[JHM]

Than probably that is not the bet Ken and I sent PM about

[Carlitos]

.....that i do not know. He said, he played 18 nos.......






Carlitos 

[Carlitos]

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