HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[JHM]

As far as I know, only Charles is throwing the towel in the ring (no hard feelings Charles, you did a good contribution).

[pighead]

Hi there,

I also been trying to figure this puzzle 

Just want to add that Charles said it is:

Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't.

I'm not giving up yet 

Moch

Hi Moch,

Where did Charles said "Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't." on his website?

I am trying to understand the context for the sentence..

thanks
PH

[New Ken]

Hampshire did say that stuff about something that should happen more--read his pages.
Sorry to hear if some are ready to quit the hunt, but it's understandable.
I'm trying to learn a bit about "lateral thinking" (which he said they used a lot of to formulate his bet).
I'm here, still hopeful, though negativity does creep in at times.
What can I say---I'm trying to do as he says: effort and research.

Rest of you guys, hang in there...


NEW KEN

[New Ken]

WE HAVE:

*a bet that consistently wins more than it loses.

*observation of "movements on the table" is key.

* "unconventional thinking" when looking at the moves/ looking at "unconventional moves".

* he came upon it looking for something that should happen more often---and realised that it didn't.

* he had a system that lost consistently, so played the opposite (with some tweaking)

* hints about a bet that does not show a profit but does not lose---and a bet within that bet--- a "clever" move

* making a list of all the moves and their possibilities ought to make something clear/obvious though not at first or second glance.

*beating the game , not the odds (??)


Did I leave much out?


NEW KEN

[J.Daniels]

Hey guys,

I didnt follow the subject so much, but I see you are looking for a consistent bet. Well the most consistent system I have found, is one I got somewhere on internet. I only have the code, so I have no clue how its played, but I think its been made by arteinvivo.

It flaws over and under zero most of the time:



Here is the code:

system "10869$ repeat strategy by arteinvivo"
{
nolinks://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=3929&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

RX'd by bunjow
}
method "main"
    begin
    While Starting new Session
        begin
        Put 18 Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
        Put 5 Record "MAX # of attempts per repeat" Data
        copy list [number 00, number 0, number 1, number 2, number 3,number 4,number 5,number 6,
        number 7,number 8,number 9,number 10,number 11,number 12,number 13,number 14,
        number 15,number 16,number 17,number 18,number 19,number 20,number 21,number 22,
        number 23,number 24,number 25,number 26,number 27,number 28,number 29,number 30,
        number 31,number 32,number 33,number 34,number 35,number 36] to record"numbers"layout
        set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"last spin this # appeared"data
        set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"how far back"data
        Put 0 Record "spin #" Data
        Put 0 Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
        Put 0 Record "len to show" Data
        Put 0 Bankroll
        call "init"
        exit
        end

    Put 0 All Bets
    Put 100% Bankroll Record "running total profit/loss" Data
    Add 1 Record "spin #" Data
    Track last Number for 1 time Record "Last Number" Layout
    Track last Number for 35 times Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
    call "calculate how far back since first occurance"
    call "calculate the length in spins since the last repeated number"

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "spin #" Data < Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Net > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Call "init"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "len to show" Data = Record "how far back" Data And Record "how far back" Data > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Set Flag "betting in progress" True
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "how far back" Data > 0 And Flag "betting in progress" True
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Net < 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Attempt #" Data <= Record "MAX # of attempts per repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; end

method "init"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; Clear Record "number(s) to bet" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Flag "betting in progress" False
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

method "calculate how far back since first occurance"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "last spin this # appeared" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "how far back" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "numbers" Layout = Record "Last Number" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "last spin this # appeared" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "how far back" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "last spin this # appeared" Data = 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "calculate spins" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 100% Record "last spin this # appeared" Data Record "calculate spins" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "calculate spins" Data <= Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "calculate spins" Data Record "how far back" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "how far back" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "last spin this # appeared" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

Method "calculate the length in spins since the last repeated number"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "how far back" Data > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data = 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "len to show" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data = Record "spin #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "len to show" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

Method "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "running total profit/loss" Data < 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 200% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "running total profit/loss" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "temp" Data = Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; add 1 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 2% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout = Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 2% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Max Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Total Inside Bets count < 1
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "temp" Data = Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; add 1 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout = Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Max Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

JD

[moch]

Hi Moch,

Where did Charles said "Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't." on his website?

I am trying to understand the context for the sentence..

thanks
PH

Hi PH

As Ken said above, it was from his website
I also know there are other bets that are balanced. They all look for extreme imbalances,
but few use them, cause of the long waiting periods involved.

Cheers
Moch

[pighead]

Guys,

I understand what he said and I agreed with him, like the even/odd, red/black numbers are not evenly layout on the table.

However, does it have any effect on the result of very spin??

I do not see any connection between them and also how to take a good advantage of them, do you?

[madupz4]

"I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster."

I've been trying some different things, and I am having some consistent results with this:

I am playing 3 different lines at once, 18 numbers (equivalent to a 50/50 bet).  I am betting the last 2 lines and the farthest back line at once.  So three chips down at once equals one bet, covering half of the table.

Even if this is not "HIS" bet, it has been winning more than it is losing for me flat betting.  It seems to incorporate the "runs" (last 2 hot lines) and the changes (the farthest back line) at the same time.

It "seems" like a "safe" bet because it is a 50/50 bet on the surface, 50 percent chance you will win, 50 percent chance you will lose (forget the zero), but "may" win more often than it loses.  I'm gonna keep tweeking it.

[WARRIOR]

ok i think i found something jhm i did not quit .this is very intersting i got this from one of vls downloads its called montecarlo ancedotes go to page 81 its called author system read and see what you think  the wording is simalar to charles hamshire  and im very sure you can play this kind of stratagie on the inside bets 3 lines making an even money bet or playing playing the even money bets like hamshire said if you can trap more winners then losers  against the odds you playing you have a winnig bet . this system talks about runs and changes  , i think we are all looking for a bet that takes care of runs and changes together thats not what hamshire said hes said you need both but he did not say together  let me no what you think.

[Marven]

I checked it out. It's simply following the last outcome, then betting against the last outcome, then following the last outcome, and so on...

Sorry Tino, but I don't think this would provide more winners than losers on the long run.

I also can't see any great similarity in the wording with Charles material other than the use of the word 'run'.

I simply believe Charles is a strategy player.
He's talking about a 'bet' (bet selection) that must fit into a 'formula' (strategy) to win consistently.
He said he has this habit of converting results into code (Lw registry) so he can 'spot' the 'runs' and 'changes' and 'trap' (situational play) more winnings than losses.

There is no secret. You can win consistently if you avoid blind systems and explosive progressions and play a safe and slow strategy instead. Aim at ending your session every time when you are in the plus, and don't push it when things are not going as you wish them to.

Sometimes I have some sessions where I keep going up and down, just to end with a +1 or +2 units profit.
I don't fight or push my luck for that day and that's how I avoid losing.

The whole concept of greed must become totally alien to you.

[smiley=engel017.gif] "Winning is the victory of man over himself." [smiley=engel017.gif]

Regards to all.

Your friend,
Marven

[Marven]

By the way, there was something I wanted to mention:

Charles said somewhere in his website that the bet alone isn't enough, and that you need to have the 'professionalism' to use it.

What does that make you think?

Cheers,
Marven

[pighead]

Does anyone know this "system" nolinks://nolinks.guruofgambling.com/system6.htm[/url] because when I was googling some phrases of charles website. I came across this one...

I Just uploaded a "system6", not sure if that is one...

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283

[Marven]

Yes it is the same pighead.

Thanks for sharing.

Death to selling systems!

Regards,
Marven

[Ka2]

I Just uploaded a "system6", not sure if that is one...

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283

THANKS! Pighead! It is the one. Unfortunatly I dont see much merrit in this system, but thanks anyway!

[moch]

I added one more step to the progression. (1,2,4,8)

Here is what it looks like, with the same spins. If we look at the graph red line we see it  hoovers around +25. This bet it's even more consistent if waiting 5 in a row, and will win most of the table spins.

Hampshire could have found an imbalance somewhere, probably with a short waiting time, it's my opinion.


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[moch]

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