HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[ryan08]

im not sure what you mean by 'what do you think about this' reffering to the bet, but as a bet it wont win

[ryan08]

i think the only way to see if the board has anomalies in the layout you need to map it out on the wheel layout so eg, the 5 even blacks and 1 odd in the first dozen, you need to see how they are on the wheel, if they are spread out randomly on the wheel then the way they ae on the board has absolutly no meaning

[New Ken]

JHM, your post of Charles' winning bet is so intriguing. I've never really been bothered by the veracity of the claims, or not--- or the claimant.
I am, on the contrary, very grateful for your introducing it. And on a personal note, I firmly believe this is territory worth exploring!

Nenolinks Ken!

[Ka2]

hmmmmmm very interesting stuff JLP! I'am going to give this some thought.

[Ka2]

There are also more anomaly's like 5 red+odd in the first dozen only 3 of them in the second dozen and 2 in the last... and vica versa ofcourse.

also 5 out of 3 is 1,66 I remember charles saying something about 5 in 3 odds

"So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets. Different odds mean a different calculation.""

[JHM]

Ken,

I'm glad to hear that. It keeps me thinking too.

Oke let's start some brainstorming:

Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds.

Given: we can beat the game, not the odds. We knew that.
First (1): beat the game not the odds

There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income.

Given: there are multiple bets.
Second (2): there are multiple bets. We're not looking for one bet specific, there are different possibilities.

There are a few bets you can engineer that will give you a profit every time you play a session of roulette.

Given: they give a profit somewhere in the session (the point where we are suppose to stop).
Third (3): We need a stop loss / win limit

You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones.

Given: we're not looking for a bet that never loses.
Fourth (4): we're looking for a bet that wins more than it loses (logic).

There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten.

Given: no big ups and downs, the bet is consistent. 3 out of 5 is a winning rate?
Fifth (5): If you win 3 our of 5 bet's, the bet has a pay out range of approximately 50% (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track. (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track.

Professionals have a formula to beat the game, which they work with and make more winning bets than losing ones.... that's it.  It is that simple. It is of course not that "simple" to find a "bet" that fits into a "formula" to give you a "consistent winning bet".

Given: we need to work with a formula.
Sixth (6) : we need to work with a formula. What kind of?

We found it by looking at the "Game" not the "Odds", and used a great deal of "lateral thinking" in the research. I was not the greatest of thinkers and found mine by default. Many people included the over-educated do not understand this concept of thinking.

Given: we need to think Lateral.
Seventh (7): Think lateral, don't make it to hard on the thinking. Sometimes things are more easy than they seem. After reinstalling your computer several times you found out that it was your modem not your computer.

First you must know all there is to know about "roulette" and all the "conventional" bets, the table, and wheel layout etc. If, as most punters in the casinos, you don't know the basics, you deserve to lose.

Given: we need to know every detail of te game.
Eight ( 8 ): know every detail of the game. From table to wheel.

You must apply the finest asset man has available to him. It is pure commonsense.  Maths of course will come to play its part when testing the consistency and profitability of the bet you formulate. If it is consistent and profitable...the odds have been taken care of.

Given: we need to use our common sense. Maths do play part in our way of (we're looking for a bet not a system) play but only in the formula. The odds will be taken care of when the bet, formula and common sense are figured out.
Nine (9):  use common sense. Maths only play a part in the formula. Odds will be taken care when bet, common sense and formula are used right. w - l = 5 - 3 = 2? (simple formula, but hey, he told us not to make it to hard on our self?).

Now you see that trying to beat the odds will only distract you from trying to find a bet that beats the game. Beating the game?

Given: the odds only distract us from beating the game. We only need to know them to make find our bet, they are not the fundament of the bet.
Ten (10): odds are needed to calculate the bet with, but are not the fundament of the bet.


''Simple...lets look at the game properly, and what happens in roulette that is totally different to any other casino game. Here are the three main "Traps" and why, unless you can beat them...you cannot win. To beat them you must understand them.  No "shortcuts" here, if you don't learn...you will not earn. Roulette players will not accept that all they do is...guess!  But that's a fact! They are the world's biggest losers..., which open the cash door to professional players. ''

Given: can the traps be beaten?.
Eleven (11): we need to figure out how to beat the traps / one of the traps to beat the game.

See the traps: Serie results, Mixed results, Cross combination results.

They are all traps you use, and lose. You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers.

Given: if we use theim like discribed we'll lose.
Twelve (12): do we want to beat one of the three traps above or do we need to find a 'new' trap?

Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel)  At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need.

Given: we need to look at the table, not the wheel. We need to think unconventional.
Thirteen (13): confusing, in 8 is told we need to know the table and the wheel. Than how is the wheel connected to the bet?

There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel.

Given: the bet is automatic, that does not mean the bet is on the same place every move.
Fourteen (14): The bet is automatic, automatic in which way?

We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.

Given: it's not given we will win every move. The winning bets return a great profit? But the bet is consistent see 5.
Fifteen (15): what is meant by a great profit? Is that 10% 25% 50% 60% 70% 80%. Or is the great profit the more winning than losing bets?

There are a few bets that can be engineered from certain movements.

Given: the bet is engineered from a movement.
Sixteen (16): the bet is engineered from a movement, is the bet based on a past result?

To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. Some have a very small risk factor, ranging to a bet like ours with a proven no risk factor at all.

Given: there are 4 bets, multiple bets. We know that see 2. Their bet has a proven no risk factor? Can the game be played without risk? The odds say it can't. But we shouldn't be looking to the odds but the game.
Seventeen (17): the bet has no risk but a great pay off (see 15). The odds are how more risk how better they pay off. But than again, what is great 1 unit, 2 units, 3 units? We need to figure out what is great our self.

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET".

Given: we need to look for s stabile bet that does not win neither lose. Is that possible? Only with no zero roulette and all nr's / dozen / ec / eg / etc. covered.
Eighteen (18): what bet does neither win nor los. What bet is within that bet?

Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact.  It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!

Given: we need to make a list of every bet that can possibly happen? My math isn't that good but, 37 x 37 x 37 ............ (when only looked to numbers). There are million / billion of bets?
Nineteen (19): make a list of every bet that can possibly happen. That are millions / billions of bets?

1.  Beat the game not the odds
2. There are multiple bets. We're not looking for one bet specific, there are different possibilities.
3. We need a stop loss / win limit
4. We're looking for a bet that wins more than it loses (logic).
5. If you win 3 our of 5 bet's, the bet has a pay out range of approximately 50% (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track.
6. We need to work with a formula. What kind of?
7. Think lateral, don't make it to hard on the thinking. Sometimes things are more easy than they seem. After reinstalling your computer several times you found out that it was your modem not your computer.
8. Know every detail of the game. From table to wheel.
9. use common sense. Maths only play a part in the formula. Odds will be taken care when bet, common sense and formula are used right. w - l = 5 - 3 = 2? (simple formula, but hey, he told us not to make it to hard on our self?).
10. Odds are needed to calculate the bet with, but are not the fundament of the bet.
11. We need to figure out how to beat the traps / one of the traps to beat the game.
12. Do we want to beat one of the three traps above or do we need to find a 'new' trap?
13. Confusing, in 8 is told we need to know the table and the wheel. Than how is the wheel connected to the bet?
14. The bet is automatic, automatic in which way?
15. What is meant by a great profit? Is that 10% 25% 50% 60% 70% 80%. Or is the great profit the more winning than losing bets?
16. The bet is engineered from a movement, is the bet based on a past result?
17. The bet has no risk but a great pay off (see 15). The odds are how more risk how better they pay off. But than again, what is great 1 unit, 2 units, 3 units? We need to figure out what is great our self.
18. What bet does neither win nor los. What bet is within that bet?
19. Make a list of every bet that can possibly happen. That are millions / billions of bets?

[ryan08]

WHAT I DONT GET IS EVERYONE KEEPS HANGING ON TO THE FACT THERE ARE 5 EVEN BLACKS IN DOZEN ONE ETC. HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOINGF TO PUT THAT IN A BET? IM JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW BECAUSE I CANT THINK OF ONE AND IF THERE IS NO WAY TO DO IT THEN WHY WOULD IT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE?

[JLP]

Hi,

Yes, I believe what I have posted earlier have many points in common to what the man (Edward) is talking about.
He says we must find the stable or consistent bet base (that nor wins or losses - break even) and that bet we must add another one (a bet inside a bet) that is what makes us win.
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Equally important is that a winning bet WINS YOU DOUBLE than a losing bet.
So what you need to know is that a win will land you 166% of your stake, while a loss will only lose 33% of your stake.

Let's talk numbers
–Winning bets:
• If you bet £12, you win £20 = £8 profit
• If you bet £15, you win £25 = £10 profit
-Losing bets:
• If you bet £12, you win £8 = £4 loss
• If you bet £15, you win £10 = £5 loss

Even if you have a run of lose, win, lose, win, lose; you will still remain in profit.
When you win, you win exactly twice the amount than you would potentially lose.

There is also a 'holiday region' in which you win the same amount you staked.
Therefore with every spin, you have far higher chance of either winning or evens than there is of losing.There are some numbers that lose entirely, but as mentioned before, the rare occasions that this may happen is far outweighed.

Also could gather another info :

Each bet you play with 6 units. A winning spin receives 66% profit. A losing spin loses 33%. So already we have a far better profit percentage than losing which is what we need. Secondly, two-thirds of the table are winning numbers. There a few numbers that lose outright but the odds of hitting these are around 10%. But because of the high profit percentage on winning spins you only need to win 1.5 times to recover from one of these 6 unit losses. This is why it works in the long term.

I have made some tests with different types of bets:

21/12= 1.75 ----> it must be 1.66
3/12 = 0.25 ----> it must be 0.33

20/12 = 1.66 : win 8
4/12 = 0.33 : loss 4

The bet must be designed to match exactly this % of payouts.

Also the zero must be covered.

Cheers,
JLP.-

[Wally Gator]

Ka2,

I agree that this may all be anonymous, but that would beg more questions.  Such as, why post it at all and then go into your cancer survivor story and add a few more pages about not disclosing the secret and then lead us to another website with email links and try to bring up the plight of kids in need and then do it all anonymously?  What's in it for him/her/them?  Where's the purpose?  Some of it does not meet the common sense factor, nor the this shit don't stink factor.  Just my opinion.  I am hopeful the guy is for real and we'll figure out the "consistenly winning bet", make a bazzilion bucks, donate most of it, tell our own cancer story and save the world. 

[ryan08]

i got a good tip for you JLP if the bet you find can break even or better then that is a very good base for a progression, if anything works flatbet(breakeven means it works aswell) it will work with reasonable progression, dont get to hung up about the bet within a bet as its not the only way, i know this for fact.

[caper61]

WIN3MILLION.com

HOW I WON £52 MILLION FROM ROULETTE
CHARLES  EDWARD HAMPSHIRE



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ROULETTE RANDOMNESS

THE SYSTEM KILLER ?



This is probably the most difficult to explain without giving our bet away.

It is the one thing that defeats all the clever mathematicians and those who do not think it cannot be overcome.

It can be, and our bet is the definitive proof. It is the "Randomness" of roulette which is the killer of every system I have ever checked. I have made a point of collecting them all. I don't think there is a single one I have not fully tested.

Nevertheless I will try to explain some things that may be of help to you.

Roulette randomness is confined to being random within the numbers, dozens, colours, etc. of the wheel and table. That will be 37 or 38 for the two standard wheels. Therefore it is not infinite randomness.

The list of combinations that can be produced is endless and it is there the mathematics seem insurmountable. But let me take you beyond the maths and look at the problem from a different angle.

There is no 100% solution but a solution that can produce winners in excess of 51% of the odds against you for any bet...is a winning solution. Finding it is the problem.

A simple example is that say you are betting on a 37 number wheel. On a even odds bet, you would need to win a minimum of 19 out 37 bets consistently. On a 2 to 1 bet you need to win 13 out of 37. That is the basic maths roulette is based on.

Note: The casinos actually make about 30% profit from players...because of the way people play. 99% of roulette players are "gamblers" and will never learn. That is of course great news for professionals. Think about it.

People have been led to believe there are patterns formed from previous results. What they see is not patterns but simply little or longer series of certain numbers or sections etc. This does happen because with the absolute randomness of a genuine wheel there is no exact evenness.

No one can "predict" the changes or swings of an innate ball or wheel. It is the random "changes" that kill any pattern you may think you have seen. They are too huge to repeat for your benefit. If you have been looking for patterns, please stop fooling yourself.

This may sound like a contradiction, but it is not. There are patterns or a better description would be random series, short and long formed by the pure randomness. Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the game...not the maths. A winning bet does that automatically

Pure maths or any systems based on the stupid following of patterns does not work. Do not be fooled by the odd bit of luck. That too is random.

There is a way to take advantage of randomness within roulette. When I found it over fourteen years ago I did not realise that that is what I had actually done. I had arrived there from a different direction. I am much wiser now.

I had found my bet as I have mentioned before, from the movements on the table (not the wheel) I did not have enough knowledge at the time to realise I was using the randomness to full effect.


There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster.


Betting in any game where randomness governs, any fixity is guaranteed unprofitable. Roulette is truly random. Do not be fooled by "reading" past results and believing you have spotted a pattern you can rely on.

Good or bad short term results are truly misleading. Any bet that is worth playing must pass at least 30 sessions of consistent profit to be worth considering.

Randomness throws up some very funny results sometimes. If for instance, you won 10 points on 31 occasions and lost 10 points only 1 in 31 sessions this would be a winner.

BUT...if an idiot was to put ALL his winnings on that one losing session.....     Now you know why you must have a winning bet AND the professionalism to handle it.

To win at roulette the two parts are the COMPLETE formula Without both....you should not waste a single dollar playing.

Please be aware of "System Sellers" who copy ideas from this site. No one except myself and the ACETF know this bet.
Anyone who knew this bet would make more money using it than selling it. I cant help foolish people, but I can help you.

I simply cannot tell you more because of fear of "giving" the ACETF bet away. If this has helped you in some way I will be pleased. As always I feel that those who put their own effort into it, deserve to be rewarded.

We all need some help and encouragement.

I trust this is yours

As always

Take care

Charles
Hi I hope you don,t mind me posting this info,I was reading your posts aboat this system you were talking aboat. Thanks

[Ka2]

Ka2,

I agree that this may all be anonymous, but that would beg more questions.  Such as, why post it at all and then go into your cancer survivor story and add a few more pages about not disclosing the secret and then lead us to another website with email links and try to bring up the plight of kids in need and then do it all anonymously?  What's in it for him/her/them?  Where's the purpose?  Some of it does not meet the common sense factor, nor the this shit don't stink factor.  Just my opinion.  I am hopeful the guy is for real and we'll figure out the "consistenly winning bet", make a bazzilion bucks, donate most of it, tell our own cancer story and save the world. 

I know that it doesnt make any sense, but maybe there is some "truth" within the text...

[Ka2]

also what about this? "I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not!"

also when he talks about 4 bets. Are these bet 4 places he covers on the table, or 4 seperate bets each with its own layout?

[roules]

Series results, Mixed results, Cross combination results.

I read these same words on a baccarat website. These patterns of sorts appear so often in each shoe and thus give the player an advantage on when to bet.
These guys approached the game in a very similar manner also. At a tournament their player won the comp by only making one very calculated bet* and won because it was based on winning percentages even though their opponent technically won a lot more money (they were separated by a partition for the game so they couldn't watch what the other was doing).

*a bet is still a bet - know what I mean? I say this as some would reasonably argue that it's all chance etc
@ JHM & JLP - you guys have given this some serious thought huh. Good food for thought 

[JLP]

i got a good tip for you JLP if the bet you find can break even or better then that is a very good base for a progression, if anything works flatbet(breakeven means it works aswell) it will work with reasonable progression, dont get to hung up about the bet within a bet as its not the only way, I know this for fact.

Hi mate,

I agree.But this type of bet would not need the progression, only flat bet always.
Of course the potential profit with the progression would be more.

Cheers,
JLP.-

[JLP]

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