HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[Ka2]

Sorry my fault, that is indeed true. 

[Marven]

Sorry my fault, that is indeed true. 

No problem mate.

I recall there is a page where Charles talks about his money management plan. What do you guys thing about it?

I'll go have a look at it and quote things here, see if we can extract some more food for thought.

Cheers,
Marven

[Marven]

Quotes from Charles regarding Money Management:

Manage your money.  Money management is the single most important factor.  Never place a bet without a plan of action.

THE THEORY BEHIND THE SYSTEM.
(...)
1. The player risks only small money
2. All large bets are made on house money
3. Bizarre runs of luck occur under the laws of chance.  Ever smaller money is in play during the player's losing cycles and ever larger money is in play during the player's winning cycles.
4. The home pocket takes money in, but never gives it out.  All player wins, even the small ones, are permanent.
5. Attack betting combined with good luck provides the player a theoretically unlimited chance at winning. Proof? How many times have you been in front...only to end up a loser on the day?
6. Since the player is absolutely prohibited from quitting during a win streak, there is no theoretical limit to the size of a player win.
7. The player runs out of money at the end of an increment, but the house does not run out of money.
8. Because the house has unlimited funds, all large wins will be the player's. Because increment size is limited, the house's wins will be small.

MONEY MANAGEMENT:

This is a subject that you can spend a lifetime reading!  Do not bother! Tied in with all of the losing systems...double after a loss...reduce after 46 reds, parlays, change after you have lost a million? Etc. etc. Total bullshit for fools. This is straight betting to win...not the "Stock exchange"   Take note, you will lose.

There is only one "Money Management System" you need, and it is simple. Housewives do it every week. It is called... "Budgeting" !

You use a betting bank based upon the bet you are using. You multiply it by 3 times your worst losing run. This gives you the same amount for each bet. This gives your bet a good insurance against a bad run. That's it...You win the session with more winning bets than losers.  If you lose...you have been cheated...or your bet is useless.

Nothing complex, simply commonsense. If your bet does not win on straight level betting...your bet is no good....go back to the drawing board.

May I explain by way of example? Our bet has shown on occasions to lose 6 in a row. So we need to multiply our session bank  3x6 = 18 (we round it up to 20) Therefore all the trustees always divide by 20. They have 20 bets of the same amount to use each session. In most sessions we never use more than 2 units from our bank before being in profit.
Ie. If we use a playing bank of £10.000 for a session we have 20 bet units of £500. For each bet.

You can now see that you must "Fit" your bets to the weakest part of your bet. All very simple. Do not be fooled by complexity. Keep everything simple and safe.

Please do not be confused when you read page 5.
It will explain how we decide how much money we wish to win...we adjust our playing bank...but keep to the 20 units to bet with. We only adjust the total amount to suit.

OUR BETTING RULES:    Please copy them.

We play safe at all times.

We bet one bet at a time

We never place other bets

We don't guess

We never gamble

That is what we do. That is what every professional does. That is what you should do.
When you find your "Winning Bet" you must have a set of "Rules" It is the bet and the rules combined that give you a "Winning Formula" you must never deviate from.

A major rule for professional players who will play in excess of 400 sessions per year is that you must finish your session with at least 2 consecutive wins. Never on a losing bet.

The difference is a small fortune. I won't do the maths for you...do it yourself, as a lesson you must never forget. Look very hard at your winning bet, and it will tell you if it is worth making that more than two. Keep in mind that professionals always play to win.

How do I make over £3 million a year? Here is the secret! I average £8000.00 profit per session x 400 sessions. I work under nine months total in the Casinos, and the rest of the time is split between my family and my charity projects. I play with big players and I am only a "small" winner! This amount is usually less than what is bet by others for ONE SPIN! 

Now you know another secret!
Win small but consistently. It adds up!

Note: That average, fluctuates between £3000.00 and £19000.00 dependent upon my personal judgment of each situation and the Casino. I "set" my bet amount to suit. (see page 5 for details)

Ok, this is from page 5:

The "Bet" is the key...not your capitol.

(Again, I think, here, by "Bet" he means something else, or why he'd put it in ""? According to the context, "Bet" means money management strategy.)

Q. I found a winning bet, but it is too boring. What do I do ?
A. Sounds like you are a "Gambler" and not a "Profit" person. I cannot help you. I have no interest in gambling or gamblers.

This is not MM related, but I wanted to mention it.
He says that patience is unquestionably necessary, and that you must be someone who can take a slow and tedious grind.
You'd be surprised at how many people don't have that (even in this forum), the fact that you're reading this thread means that you want it easy. You want an easy life. That's simply not how it works.
On a couple of occasions, I have received a PM from newly signed up members asking me if I found something that wins consistently that I could just 'handle' to them for the sake of 'saving time'.
The same happened in the chat room once.
Seriously guys, I often stay awake for 48 hours and more just to learn new things, read, tweak things, calculate things, chat with and learn from friends who know better than me, practice, make mistakes and fail, feel awful, then restart from scratch. Learn again, practice again, etc.
The people I know who are successful with the game are definitely patient people. Strategy players are.
Victor once said that he once sat in the casino for almost an entire day, just to break even and go home. He is my number one source of learning.
My VB playing friends track wheels for hours and hours. They are truly patient people who deserve the edge they get when they get it.
Anyway, just to let you know: Nothing worth having was ever easy to obtain.
Now back on topic.

If we were going for say a 12 point profit hit and after 7 or 8 ahead we hit a bad sequence, we would not go below 3 points win. We quit at 3 points win.

Profit control is part of your formula.

You must look very hard at your bet and depending on how consistent it is....work out a plan that suits your bet. Plan never to lose a session. Win even if it is small.

I believe this has a lot to do with calculating the win/loss ratio and worst scenario of your strategy, then building your MM plan accordingly. This is a golden tip.

Under the hidden factor system cycles of luck will be controlled. The laws of chance will be manipulated by a money management system.

THE THREE OBJECTIVES ARE:

(1) Win streaks. ----- Bet heavily during all win streaks.
(2) Secure the win. ----- Never lose the win back to the house.
(3) Control Risk. -------  Protect the player from substantive loss.

Another proof that this "Bet" has nothing to do with bet selection, but with a MM strategy instead (e.g. spotting the cycles and taking advantage of them).


I hope that was helpful for now.
Next I will be posting and commenting on Charles' 'Increments Money Management Plan'.

All the best,
Marven

[HansHuckebein]

he says, he needs 500.- for each bet. this could be:

100. - on red or black
100.- on odd or even
100.- on 1-18 or 19-36
100.- on a dozen
100.- on a column

[Marven]

EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif],

Since this is the 'Bet Selection' section, I have posted Charles' 'Increments MM Plan' along with my comments here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/%27increments-money-management-plan%27-by-charles-hampshire/

Check it out.

Regards,
Marven

[WARRIOR]

marven nice post happy new year,so when he talks about streaks can last for days  and if he is watching for these cycles doesnt that mean hes watching for some kind of trigger to go in and trap a bet therfore looking for some kind of pattern to happen.regards

[Carlitos]

Indeed nice post Marven  But he specifecly mentions movements on the table as being one of the big clue he can give away.....






Carlitos 

[pighead]

Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds. 

Totally honest people and mathematicians who fail to find a way, say it cannot be done. They have been looking at beating the odds. Roulette is a casino owners dream game. The odds as one would normally look at for any betting cannot be beaten. It is the game itself where I and the other professional players have found the answer.

Unfortunately there is much confusion about roulette. I will now try to cut through the absolute rubbish you have been subject to by amateurs and losers who do not understand the game, or the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage..

Guys, If you are still looking at bets, I would say you are going to the wrong direction..

[enrique malou]

"Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds."

I agree with this 100%. odds are odds. 1+1 will always be 2. and -2.7% will always be -2.7%.

Does that mean that you can not beat the game. No, I am convinced you can beat the game.

Did Einstein play roulette for 20 years?  I am sure if he did, he would have found a way to beat the game, never the odds.

regards

enrique.

p.s. I just noticed this bit as well. 

"the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage."  This is so true.

[HansHuckebein]

page 15:

"There is a way to take advantage of randomness witin roulette."

"There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness finding a bet that was able to use the 'Runs' and the 'Changes' to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster."

So, which bet selection covers both best? What about "following the last decision" as one part of the bet?

What do you guys think?

[pighead]

THIS IS THE KEY TO THE DOOR TO FINDING THAT WINNING BET:

You will need to know as much as possible about roulette
Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel)  At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need.

This is the only place where you find that genuine winning bet. There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel. We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.

To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of. I do know that this website is miss-named!  It should be 4million.com because that is the average I earned from my bet in 13 years play.

There is no-one only yourself, stopping you from doing exactly the same. Dreams are a wonderful to have...but without the action to turn them to reality...they remain just a dream.

I am going to give you one last clue that will take you as far as I can without giving the bet away. [highlight][/highlight]Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact.  It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!

What are those conventional moves? Guys[/size]

[HansHuckebein]

if he means moves like from 1 to 25 to 8 to 8 to 9 and back to 1 again that would be a question for the math people in the forum. how many different moves do exist? but he always states that the solution is simple and can be found with 'common sense'. so to keep it simple, what about moves like up, down, right, left?

[pighead]

what about the moves of players and dealers?

[HansHuckebein]

or the moves of the money/ chips?

[Marven]

marven nice post happy new year,so when he talks about streaks can last for days  and if he is watching for these cycles doesn't that mean hes watching for some kind of trigger to go in and trap a bet therfore looking for some kind of pattern to happen.regards

Thanks Tino, and happy new year.

Yes. Regardless of his bet selection, the latter has good and bad runs/cycles, he just jumps in when the conditions are in his favor, and bets with an up as you win / down (or flat bet?) as you lose scheme, using it within and fully taking advantage of the available table limits/range.

He builds on the casino's money and quits as soon as he reaches his session's goal. He then keeps track of his long term winning streaks and invests more when he is on a good cycle (taking advantage of the law of chance) I.e. a good run of sessions; and vice versa.

Indeed nice post Marven   But he specifecly mentions movements on the table as being one of the big clue he can give away.....

Thanks Carlitos. There can be many interpretations for 'movements on the table' and I'm afraid it doesn't help much.

We have no room for 'guessing' and we must move forward to something useful.

Guys, If you are still looking at bets, I would say you are going to the wrong direction..

Yes pighead. That's what I've been trying to say.

Whether Charles' realizes it or not, we can't just 'guess' what bet selection he is using. Even though he threw a few clues, we still can't use them.

The fact that we should watch the table, who doesn't watch the table anyway?
The fact that there are certain anomalies in the table, yes but we simply can't use that to make any difference.
Past results, trying to beat randomness, etc. etc... This is nothing new, all roulette players have already been looking (or not looking) at past results trying to beat randomness in one way or another.

I must conclude that his 'clues' are unfortunately of no real help. There are infinite possible bet selections, and it doesn't matter that much anyway. So my suggestion was: if you are going to spend time on this, spend it on something worth it.

The only thing that he shared, and that we might use, is his MM plan.
I read it and I think he knows what he's talking about.

I won't be posting in this thread as much now since I have other things to work on. I just wanted to point out another possible direction that might be more useful for you guys.

All the best to you all
& good luck!

Marven

[Marven]

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