HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[pighead]

PM'ed

REDHOT,
I used you data in excel spreadsheet and tried 400 spins

BR is up to 154 unit..the bet I am using is not what we are doing here..idea is the same.

I need to refine my bets.. I hope it will do better..

[Spinman]

Hi guys, I've been following your quest for a few weeks now, and trying to find this elusive bet structure, with as much success as yourselves, however manual testing is extremely draining. A thought:

If one plays Black, Red, Odd, Even using the Wrangler betting method should you not have success?
You could even add Hi Lo as well. THis should catch the runs as well as the changes, but not all...

Perhaps someone with those computer programs could run a few 100 spins to see if it hold or tanks.
The key to this bet and most successful endeavours is "consistency"

Good luck to all And keep up the good work

[Marven]

Hi guys, I've been following your quest for a few weeks now, and trying to find this elusive bet structure, with as much success as yourselves, however manual testing is extremely draining. A thought:

If one plays Black, Red, Odd, Even using the Wrangler betting method should you not have success?
You could even add Hi Lo as well. THis should catch the runs as well as the changes, but not all...

Perhaps someone with those computer programs could run a few 100 spins to see if it hold or tanks.
The key to this bet and most successful endeavours is "consistency"

Good luck to all And keep up the good work

Hi spinman and welcome aboard.

Could you explain or do you have a link to the Wrangler method?

Thanks.

Regards,
Marven

[Ka2]

There you go Marven. 

nolinks://nolinks.fillcom.com/wrangler.html

[Marven]

STATS FROM 413 WIESBADEN SPINS


85 "Perfect runs"
112 "Perfect changes"
214 "1/2 runs/changes"

seems there are more perfect changes than perfect runs

Betting against the perfect change in those 413 spins should end with an average of -333 unit loss.

There you go Marven.  

nolinks://nolinks.fillcom.com/wrangler.html

Thanks Ka2.

Cheers,
Marven

[Marven]

By now, the team list is:

pighead
JHM
redhot
Charles
New Ken
Carlitos
Ka2
ernesto
Madupz4
Moccoman
Wally Gator
sniper
Spinman
Marven



Regards,
Marven

[Lanky]

Hi Guys.

I won't join the group but I have been reading this guys site for years.

But this may Help in someway .?

And he has said words similar to this over the years.

"You will need a dummy bet that does not win nor lose while you are whiling the time away"

I take that to mean Its a type of Virtual bet while he waiting for whatever it is to happen.

And this as well.

" You walk to the table and look & see what the wheel has made in movements in the past"

That can Only Mean He has looked at the Display Board of past spins to see what movements have happened.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[Marven]

Thank you dear Lanky.

So according to Charles, we don't read past results or look for patterns and try to guess future outcomes, and YET we DO look at past movements that we rely on to know how to place this bet.

It does seem a bit self-contradictory, and he did admit that:

Quote:

No one can "predict" the changes or swings of an innate ball or wheel. It is the random "changes" that kill any pattern you may think you have seen. They are too huge to repeat for your benefit. If you have been looking for patterns, and think you can predict the next, please stop fooling yourself.

This may sound like a contradiction, but it is not. There are patterns or a better description would be random series, short and long formed by the pure randomness. Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette.


What do you guys think?

Regards,
Marven

[sniper]

Movement on the table could mean Top & Bottom(1-18 & 19-36), Left, Right, Center(column bet),the 4 corners of the table(1,4,7,10),(3,6,9,12),(25,28,31,34),(27,30,33,36).Anyway this is just an idea to explore.I will work on it and come back if there is a breakthrough.

Regards

sniper

[Marven]

Given:

He says we shouldn't rely on past results to predict future ones.
But then he says, despite that, we should still trap the runs and changes.

The runs and changes are two natural tendencies of randomness, we take advantage of these two tendencies together, therefore take advantage of randomness.

He also says we should trap them quickly enough.

Questions:

1. How can we not rely on past results (i.e. recognized patterns/triggers) and still rely on them in the same time?
Aren't those runs and changes a form of recognized/read patterns as well?
If not, then what makes them different than normal patterns that normal betting systems rely on?

2. What does the words "quickly enough" imply?
Doesn't it imply that we don't bet all time, and that there are specific moments of attack?
Doesn't it imply that the runs or changes start and have to end eventually, and we should act quickly when or right after they start, and stop the attack right before or right after they end?
How do we know? Is there a bet selection that is THAT predictable? And if yes then why? (he said that your bet must have a genuine reason why it's winning)

3. He says that it's an unconventional bet that relies on an unconventional movements/activity on the table that is normally unseen by the average player. He says that it is not that easy to find/engineer. He says that it is instructed to the members of the Trust in condensed form for ease of use, this means that the idea behind the bet has certain complexity/impracticality to it, so it's condensed down for ease of use.
YET, he says that it's a SIMPLE trap bet. And he talks about commonsense ("You must apply the finest asset man has available to him. It is pure commonsense"), and that you won't need maths and over-calculations etc.
Does this mean that:
- The theory behind the bet is complex, but it's application is simple?
or
- The theory behind the bet is simple, and it's application is simple?

4. He says that pure randomness is the killer of all roulette systems, but in this bet, the fact that the game is random is in fact to our advantage. He defines randomness as containing both: unpredictable series results (runs) and unpredictable mixed results.
He implies that the bet is a sort of filter placed on randomness that takes advantage of both, thus winning more than losing every session played.
How on earth is this possible?

To expand more on this:

I have been reading a lot about randomness lately, and yesterday I was (randomly) skimming through an article about Forex trading and I came accross this:

"A smart trading system is a system which does not depend on the outcome and effect of news, but takes into consideration both market reactions, and sets the orders in a way were the trader would benefit either way, and the Risk to Reward Ratio is low. Although the hit ratio could be 50-50, yet since R/R is low, then beating randomness is fairly possible."

And:

"Sometimes "bad luck" strikes. Even the best systems in forex will face some losing streaks. What to do? Stop trading the system? Continue? If you stop you will never know if the next trade is going to make all the losses, and you could lose the opportunity to overcome the losses. And if you continue, you would face pleading your equity!
So what to do? The best thing to overcome such danger is to trade multiple systems at one time. Different systems won't face the streaks at the same time. One losing system would be overcome by another winning one. The result is good."


Some food for thought for ya all (as if you need more, Lol).

Cheers,
Marven

[sniper]

Hello Marven,

Is this of any help

Hello Arte,
I fully agree with you that moving averages are a lagging indicator.In my case I only used it as a filter.I did not bother about the crossing.I only look at the direction of the 3 MA's. Whenever all 3s were pointing upward, I will enter long when the short term timing indicator signal buying.The opposite is for short trades. By doing this my percentage of winning trades increased tremendously. I usually hit winning streaks trading this way.

Regards

sniper

Regards

sniper

[Ka2]

Dont forget, Before charles was a professional roulette player, he was a "trader". This might be something to look into?

[Marven]

Hello Marven,

Is this of any help

Hi sniper,

Thank you mate. I'm very interested in what you wrote.
Will give this some serious thought.

Dont forget, Before charles was a professional roulette player, he was a "trader". This might be something to look into?

Indeed. I believe it's worth looking into.

As I said, I am tired of the usual betting approaches, I have been testing bunches and bunches of them and they all fail.
I think it's better to go back and re-form a new foundation for the research that is more inline with Charles' clues.
If he says it's the unconventional thinking you will need, then it's the unconventional thinking we will need. It's needless to waste more time trying things like play with/against red/black/odd/even, or follow the last x number of lines, etc, etc.

At this point, understanding randomness is a the best to do in my opinion. And something like trading theories might be worth looking into since traders are the kind of people that deal a lot with randomness.

Regards,
Marven

[Ka2]

I couldn't agree with you more, Marven! 

[dancer4k]

mates hello,
charles edward hampshire is a classic sociopath, he's delusional.
his website is essentially just meaningless waffle and is totally pointless. why has he set up this website when he's not selling anything or even disclosing anything pivotal? it's a load of garbage. what is the POINT??? and he's found a consistent bet...has he f*ck. where is the PROOF? this guy is a nutter and enjoys blowing his own trumpet...which probably exists only in his own deluded mind.
we all know roulette is mathematically unbeatable, so how has charles done it?
in my opinion he's a complete charlatan

[dancer4k]

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