HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[ernesto]

Thats near the house edge 

545 / 100 * 2,7 = 14,72

Hi JHM, you are right!

@Madupz4

Yes, the streets have dominant color, but not just color, because even/odd.
[table=,]
1,R+O
2,B+E
3,R+O
4,B+E
5,B+O
6,R+E
7,R+O
8,B+E
9,R+O
10,B+E
11,B+O
12,R+E
[/table]

As you can see there are 4-4 R+O and B+E street and only 2-2 R+E and B+O street.

I don't know it is useful or not. Just a next "Food for thought".

ernesto

[madupz4]

Hi JHM, you are right!

@Madupz4

Yes, the streets have dominant color, but not just color, because even/odd.
[table=,]
1,R+O
2,B+E
3,R+O
4,B+E
5,B+O
6,R+E
7,R+O
8,B+E
9,R+O
10,B+E
11,B+O
12,R+E
[/table]

As you can see there are 4-4 R+O and B+E street and only 2-2 R+E and B+O street.

I don't know it is useful or not. Just a next "Food for thought".

ernesto

Yes i didn't even notice that, another observation to make those pairs of streets even stronger!  Not only are there IDENTICAL pairs of colors but those colors also contain the EXACT placement of ODD/EVEN.  VERY INTERESTING!

Charles always says to look at the TABLE, look at the UNCONVENTIONAL moves, and look to TRAP a bet!

[redhot]

Ive been thinking about putting results into code and I've come to a point where I've confused myself! maybe someone can help surely this can't be correct! anyway here goes:

classifying numbers into colour, odd/even, high/low we get the following 8 possible codes:

ROL
ROH
REL
REH
BOL
BOH
BEL
BEH

where ROL stands for red, odd, low etc....

Now look at how many numbers fall into each category:

ROL  = 5 numbers
ROH  = 5 numbers
REL  = 4 numbers
REH  = 4 numbers
BOL  = 4 numbers
BOH  = 4 numbers
BEL  = 5 numbers
BEH  = 5 numbers

So ROL,ROH, BEL and BEH have more numbers than the other groups

So surely this means that these four groups will appear more often then the other groups (as they have more numbers)

Now this is the confusing part.... ALL 'ROL' numbers AND ALL 'BEL' numbers are in the first dozen!

So does this mean, the 1st dozen should come out more than any other dozen??? I know maths says it doesn't but its got all of the ROL's and BEL's !!! I'm confused

[Gavioli]

I disagree.  I don't think it is perfect symmetry when folded in half.  Look at the table closely....

Line 10,11,12 would have to be identical to Line 25,26,27 and it's not, it's different.

Line 789 would have to be identical to line 28,29,30 and it's different.  Other than those 2 differences, each half of the table is the same.

Hy!

you are wrong, the table is in perfect symetry, but it all depenece how you look the table. If you really want find the movement on the tabel you should look table like this.

     0
01.02.03. =6
04.05.06. =15
07.08.09. =24
---------
10.11.12. =33
13.14.15. =42
16.17.18. =51
________
19.20.21. =60
22.23.24. =69
25.26.27. =78
--------
28.29.30. =87
31.32.33. =96
34.35.36. =105


Now look 6+105=111, 15+96=111, 24+87=111, 33+78=111, 42+69=111, 51+60=111 or if you look 4 sectors 6+15+24+87+96+105=333 or 33+42+51+60+69+78=333, or you can look figures 123 and 34=7 35=8 36=9 so 789-123=666 and so on.....but that is not all. Look the streets, they are on figure 6...6,15=1+5=6, 24=2+4=6......and it is many more hidden things there.

Mathematicly is everything just in perfect order, and all sums match if you see them correctly.

Also I dont understand why are you trying so hard to find his bet, if he give almost no informatioms about it. Unconventional bet can be just anything, split mixed with full loads or corners, so why guessing to match his bet. Just try to find your own bet and played when you think the conditions are good. They will fail exactly for 2,7%, because bet should be changed and calculated by many conditions, but i dont think he wants to say that in his page. He wants to say that if you can manage to win more times then lose, specialy if your bet dont lose 3 bets in a row then you can use calcualted progression and MM from his informations.

However, testing only 100 spins is ridiculous, because you will not have not even nearly enough informations how your bet is doing. You should look 1 milion + spins, which will of course lose by -2,7%, but you can see how many bets in road lose the most and in average, so then you can apply that to your strategy and tested in small spins session, but first get informations.

Charles mentions that in 13 years of playing he occasionally has had a losing streak of 6. If we suppose he has placed something like 250,000 bets during that time and his longest losing run is 6, then his bet must cover, (and I'm guessing here, a mathematician might tell us exactly) around 80/85% of the wheel.

I may be wrong but whatever the percentage is, it would make sense to concentrate on bets that produce that percentage.

This is not true, because you are looking run of 6 spins run and not run of 6 bets. He said bets if i remember correctly and like I understand what he wants to say that you really can get out in every session with MM, good bet and strategy. Personaly i dont belive in this kind of aproach, but I wish you all the best to find a good bet.

Cheers

[rjl]

ROL  = 5 numbers
ROH  = 5 numbers
REL  = 4 numbers
REH  = 4 numbers
BOL  = 4 numbers
BOH  = 4 numbers
BEL  = 5 numbers
BEH  = 5 numbers

Maybe just another coincidence, when Charles says he knows 4 winning bets...
ROL
ROH
BEL
BEH


Cheers,

Rjl

[madupz4]

Hy!

you are wrong, the table is in perfect symetry, but it all depenece how you look the table. If you really want find the movement on the tabel you should look table like this.

No, YOU are wrong!  The question was wheather or not the table was in PERFECT symetry in terms of ONLY colors if you folded it at number 18..and it is NOT.  Look at the table closely.  Line 10,11,12 is NOT the same as line 25,26,27. 

The table IS in perfect symetry if you cut it in half at 1-18 and then placed it on top of 19-36, but that was NOT the original dispute.

[redhot]

Maybe just another coincidence, when Charles says he knows 4 winning bets...
ROL
ROH
BEL
BEH


Cheers,

Rjl

more than likely, we're struggling to find one winning bet, i doubt I've just found all 4!! lol

[Gavioli]

No, YOU are wrong!  The question was wheather or not the table was in PERFECT symetry in terms of ONLY colors if you folded it at number 18..and it is NOT.  Look at the table closely.  Line 10,11,12 is NOT the same as line 25,26,27. 

The table IS in perfect symetry if you cut it in half at 1-18 and then placed it on top of 19-36, but that was NOT the original dispute.

But i explained that i dont look the table like you do and for me is in just perfect symetry an harmony. Look at sector1+3 and then sector 2+4 and you will see that match. Then rotate 1 half of the table to another that you get the square and you will have lines 6x6 and 4 sector and in both diagonals sectors will match to colors.

Ok I admit that im wrong if im looking from your point of view, but im telling that everything is in a perfect harmony if you know how to look.

Cheers

[pighead]

This is not true, because you are looking run of 6 spins run and not run of 6 bets. He said bets if i remember correctly and like I understand what he wants to say that you really can get out in every session with MM, good bet and strategy. Personaly i dont belive in this kind of aproach, but I wish you all the best to find a good bet.

Cheers

I happen to agree with Gavioli on this one. In this case,my understanding is that Charles bet failed to either trap the run or the change 6 times consecutively.

[madupz4]

But i explained that i dont look the table like you do and for me is in just perfect symetry an harmony. Look at sector1+3 and then sector 2+4 and you will see that match. Then rotate 1 half of the table to another that you get the square and you will have lines 6x6 and 4 sector and in both diagonals sectors will match to colors.

Ok I admit that im wrong if im looking from your point of view, but im telling that everything is in a perfect harmony if you know how to look.

Cheers

Agreed, i'm not disputing the way YOU are looking at it.  But as far as folding the table in half at 1-18, the table is NOT in perfect symmetry and that was the only dispute.

[ernesto]

Gavioli

However, testing only 100 spins is ridiculous, because you will not have not even nearly enough informations how your bet is doing.

Not 100 spins. 100 spins per session. And after 30 sesson you won 29-30 session with flat bet, you really found something, So that is 3000 spin.

I don't know it is enough or not.

ernesto

[New Ken]

Maybe JHM's "discovery" needs to be looked at closer. Just my two cents...

[Gavioli]

Agreed, i'm not disputing the way YOU are looking at it.  But as far as folding the table in half at 1-18, the table is NOT in perfect symmetry and that was the only dispute.

Then exept apologizes, i didnt want to attack you. I calculated table long time ago in it all match, by looking things like I explained.

Gavioli

Not 100 spins. 100 spins per session. And after 30 sesson you won 29-30 session with flat bet, you really found something, So that is 3000 spin.

I don't know it is enough or not.

ernesto

I know ernesto that you meant session, I just suggest that you do it in large sample first before you start testing session. Im sure you have someone in group with programing skills. Actualy it is possible to find the bet which can back engineerid to beat milion spins with low progression (progression must always cut loses not win the bet if it is not possible), but the real problem is winning in short sessions, because you have a big difference and you really dont know when the losing streak of 5 or more losing bets will come.

Cheers

[JHM]

Ken,

It's actually Tino's discovery. But I agree with you that more testing will point out. Ernesto tested 500 spins and ended -16, that's dissapointing. But when I have some more time, I will test a few hundred spins.

Tino, have you tested more on the bet?

[redhot]

Ken,

It's actually Tino's discovery. But I agree with you that more testing will point out. Ernesto tested 500 spins and ended -16, that's dissapointing. But when I have some more time, I will test a few hundred spins.

Tino, have you tested more on the bet?

What is the bet? is it the one where if dozen 1 comes play column 2 and 3, dozen 2 play column 1 and 3 etc....

[redhot]

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