[GRINDING TWEAK ON...] The Guetting Progression

[VLSroulette]

This is A GRINDING TWEAK on the "up as you win" guetting progressive line of bets for the even chances:

Betting line is this:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

Rules are easy.

When you win, move to the => Right.

When you lose, back to the <= Left, with this condition.

If you lose the FIRST instance of a number, then you go back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers).

Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

And that's it.

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The name of the Game with the Guetting Progression is: Locking Profits.

Something else I like from the guetting is it handles the Win/Loss loop nicely. It can be in a LwLwLwLwLwLwLw loop forever and you only get back 2 steps from the guetting line at most.

Kind regards,
Victor

[Worm]

Hi VLS found this on my Comp from the VIP time 
Remeber this?
(This isn´t my idea its VLS´s from the former VIP forum)
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Hello guys, I have joined the D'alembert progression with the Guetting progression and came up with this nice hybrid:

14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2)|2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16

<D'alembert>|<Guetting>

So you start here:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- First two.

If you lose, you do D'alembert:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 (3) 2|2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 <- Move to the left.

If you bet 3 and win:

14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- Move to the right.

D'alembert advantage: you get a "residual" unit on Lose/win.

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Now the other possibility. You start here:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- First two.

If you win, you move to the right:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2|(2) 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 <- Enter the Guetting progression.

The Guetting progression is quite simple:
There are two numbers on each group ( 2 2, 3 3... they come in pairs).
- If you win you move one space to the right.
- If you lose betting the first number of a group, you go to the first number of the PREVIOUS group:
2 2 (3) 3 => (2) 2 3 3.
- If you lose betting the second number of a group, you go back one space to the first number of the SAME group:
2 2 3 (3) => 2 2 (3) 3.

Guetting advantage: You also get residual units, sometimes more than one. Resists LwLwLwLw ( Losing/Winning ) ad infinitum. You can get a winning streak and end up the serie at the second "16" thus pocketing 102 units + residual units.

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Bankroll: 104 units. Target: 50 residual units or –If lucky– 102 + residual units from completing the Guetting progression serie.
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Take care
/Worm

[lizard911]

Hi guys,

my knowledge of the Guetting progression is bit different from what is described here.

Here as I know it:

there are 4 stages in this progression:


Stage 1:  2
Stage 2:  3     4      6
Stage 3:  8     12    16
Stage 4:  20   30    40


You start with 2 units (Stage 1).

When you win two consecutive bets you move the next unit level (e.g. bet 2 -> win -> bet 2 -> win -> bet 3 ... and so on), exactly as Victor said.

When you lose and it's NOT the FIRST instance of a unit level you bet again the same units (e.g. bet 3 -> win -> bet 3 -> lose -> bet 3 ...).

Now the difference...
When you lose and it's the FIRST instance of a unit level you move to the lower unit level of the previous stage (e.g. bet 4 -> win -> bet 4 -> win -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 2 ...).
When you lose twice in a row you move to the lower unit level of the previous stage (e.g. bet 6 -> win -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 2 ...).

Essentially when one of these two last loss occurs you restart from 2, 3 or 8 units depending on which stage you were.

So not just

go back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers)

but go back to the first unit of the lower stage.

I don't know which version is the original one but both of them are good, so up to you which is more suitable to your style

regards

LiZrD

[lucky_strike]

lizard911 thats correct thanks.

LS

[Nathan Detroit]

The  Guetting progression original.

nolinks://nolinks.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[Mr J]

I have not messed with this in like three years. Question for someone, just so I understand >> If I lose on the second 12, I only go back to the first 12? If I then lose again, I go back to the FIRST 8? If I win on the second 40, I obviously STAY on the 40? Also, these betting units are great until its time to convert then into actual money. I'm goona post my dollar unit bets. Can someone please look it over and make sure it matches up. It looks easy enough but I'll feel better is someone verifies. I start out with a $10 min. bet. >>>

$10 10 20 20 30 30 50 50 70 70 110 110 150 150 190 190 290 290 390 $390.

[Breeze88]

Hi Mr . J


If you win the first 10 units bet ...bet the 2nd 10 unit bet .. and move on with each winning this way .... on a win .bet next unit in the row..


if you loose you have to go back to the first unit size in the next lower stage..

example if you bet the 2nd 70 units .. bet.. and you loose .. then you have to go back to the first unit size in the next lower stage in this example you next bet would be .. the first 50 units size bet...


i hope it helped ..

cheerz

[lizard911]

Hi Mr J,

the original sequence is
2
3 4 6
8 12 16
20 30 40

if u want to play 10 $ minimum, then u have a multiplier of 5 so u get

10
15 20 30
40 60 80
100 150 200

If I lose on the second 12, I only go back to the first 12?

Yes, correct

If I then lose again, I go back to the FIRST 8?

No, you should go back to the first 3, it's the same as u lose at the first 12, when one of these two losses occurs u go back to the first unit of the PREVIOUS stage (u were in stage 8 12 16, lost twice and then go back to first unit of previous stage which is 3 4 6)

If I win on the second 40, I obviously STAY on the 40?

Yes, of course

If you check the link provided by Nathan Detroit you will find useful examples

regards

LiZrD

[Mr J]

Hang on, Vic says this >>>  Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40 <<< In my example question, if I lost on the FIRST 12, why would I not drop to the FIRST 8? Thats what Victors example did.  Ken

[VLSroulette]

I start out with a $10 min. bet. >>>

$10 10 20 20 30 30 50 50 70 70 110 110 150 150 190 190 290 290 390 $390.

Hello dear Kenneth

To determine the amounts to use , you make a simple multiplication on the guetting progression line:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

x $10 as BASE unit

=

$20 $20 $30 $30 $40 $40 $60 $60 $80 $80 $120 $120 $160 $160 $200 $200 $300 $300 $400 $400
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You can also use table with $10 min. bet on the outside bets with a BASE unit of $5, multiply the same guetting line:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

x $5 as BASE unit
$10 $10 $15 $15 $20 $20 $30 $30 $40 $40 $60 $60 $80 $80 $100 $100 $150 $150 $200 $200
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Both $5 and $10 guetting lines are playable on a $10 min. table.
Kind regards.

Your friend,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

Hang on, Vic says this >>>  Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40 <<< In my example question, if I lost on the FIRST 12, why would I not drop to the FIRST 8? Thats what Victors example did.  Ken

This is correct Kenneth,

You are here at first 12:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 (12) 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

and lose, go back to first 8:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 (8) 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

If you lose the FIRST instance of a number, then you go back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers).

Regards,
Victor

[Mr J]

 Stupid point of mine but with this progression, we are taking advantage of winning streaks and not getting our ass kicked too bad with the losing streaks, I got it.      Ken

[Mr J]

(Once I like something, I keep on going ) Hey Victor (or anyone)..... two questions >>> Lets say we WIN on the LAST bet in our line. What do you think about starting over, from the beginning? I think that would make more sense, no? Also, if I bring a BR of $1,500, that should keep me playing for while?  Thanks,  Ken

[lizard911]

Hi guys,

@Mr J
it's obvious that in this thread there are at least two different ways to apply the Guetting progression ...

The one introduced by Victor (post #1) is more aggressive while the one described by me (post #3) is more conservative, I personally prefer the conservative way, anyway it's up to you Mr J which one u like more

I just wanted to give u an example for an extreme case of 8 wins in a row and then 8 losses in a row, the two ways reach the same high point but at the end one will "save" more ... which one is it ? see by yourself

[table=,]
W/L,Conservative, Aggressive
W,+2,+2
W,+2,+2
W,+3,+3
W,+3,+3
W,+4,+4
W,+4,+4
W,+6,+6
W,+6,+6
L,-8,-8
L,-3,-6
L,-2,-4
L,-2,-3
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
Tot=,+7,+1
[/table]

just my 2 cents

cheers

LiZrD

[Mr J]

I understand, thanks bud. What do you think >>> if we get a win on the LAST bet in our line, why not start over from beginning? Any thoughts?  Ken

[Mr J]

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