The matrix system

[Rquest09]

some of these 28 spins sessions i love 

[table=,]
START

32 P4/S1
15 P4/S2
34 P6/S3
18 P6/S6

BET p4/p6

16 P5/S3
34 P6/S3 [highlight]+12[/highlight]
28 P7/S2
31 P9/S2

BET S2/S3

3  P7/S5
36 P8/S1
18 P9/S5
28 P7/S2 [highlight]+18[/highlight]

BET P7/S5

18 P9/S5 [highlight]+43[/highlight]
32 P4/S1
36 P8/S1
14 P9/S1

BET P9/S1

29 P9/S6 [highlight]+68[/highlight]
26 P7/S6
19 P4/S3
4  P4/S4

BET P4/S6

31 P9/S2
14 P9/S1
32 P4/S1 [highlight]+83.5[/highlight]
23 P8/S5

BET P9/S1

26 P7/S6
17 P6/S2
29 P9/S6 [highlight]+99[/highlight]
30 P8/S3
[/table]


[chart]0,12,18,43,68,83,99[/chart]                                                                             


[chart]0,201,408,504,613,720,819[/chart]

Spins 316

Bets 142

[Rquest09]

36 Spin..

[table=,]
START
20 P5/S6
2  P4/S6
25 P6/S1
36 P8/S1

BET S1/S6

33 P5/S4
0
33 P5/S4
25 P6/S1 [highlight]+6[/highlight]

BET P5/S4

17 P6/S2
26 P7/S6
15 P4/S2
9  P9/S3 -54.5

BET S2 [highlight](2U)[/highlight]

8  P8/S4
31 P9/S2 -6.5
29 P9/S6
17 P6/S2

BET P9/S2 [highlight](3U)[/highlight]

9  P9/S3 [highlight]+68.5[/highlight]
30 P8/S3
16 P5/S3
16 P5/S3

BET P5/S3 [highlight](1U)[/highlight]

26 P7/S6
35 P7/S4
34 P6/S3 [highlight]+84[/highlight]
2  P4/S6

BET P7/S6

27 P6/S5
30 P8/S3
34 P6/S3
36 P8/S1 [highlight]+23.5[/highlight]

BET P6/P8/S3 [highlight](2U)[/highlight]

9  P9/S3 [highlight]+63.5[/highlight]
1  P5/S5
21 P4/S5
12 P7/S3

BET S3/S5 [highlight](3U)[/highlight]

27 P6/S5 [highlight]+135.5[/highlight]
24 P5/S2
33 P5/S4
24 P5/S2
[/table]


[chart]0,6,-54,-6,68,84,23,63,135[/chart]                                                                             


[chart]0,201,408,504,613,720,819,954[/chart]

Spins 352

Bets 148

[Rquest09]

Next one hits 1000 

[table=,]
START
23 P8/S5
1  P5/S5
8  P8/S4
11 P8/S2

BET P8/S5

20 P5/S6
3  P7/S5 [highlight]+14[/highlight]
5  P5/S1
34 P6/S3

BET P5

5  P5/S1 [highlight]+44[/highlight]
2  P4/S6
1  P5/S5
25 P6/S1

BET P5/S1

36  P8/S1 [highlight]+69[/highlight]
5   P5/S1
33  P5/S4
33  P5/S4

BET P5/S1/S4

36  P8/S1 [highlight]+89[/highlight]
31  P9/S2
25  P6/S1
22  P9/S4   
[/table]


[chart]0,14,44,69,89,[/chart]                                                                             


[chart]0,201,408,504,613,720,819,954,1043[/chart]

Spins 372

Bets 153

[Rquest09]

This next long one sucked 

[table=,]
START
27 P6/S5
21 P4/S5
29 P9/S6
32 P4/S1

BET P4/S5

26 P7/S6
28 P7/S2
1  P5/S5 [highlight]+15.5[/highlight]
36 P8/S1

BET P7

27 P6/S5
16 P5/S3
5  P5/S1
12 P7 S3 [highlight]+27.5[/highlight]

BET P5/S3

14 P9/S1
5  P5/S1 [highlight]+41.5[/highlight]
32 P4/S1
13 P6/S6

BET S1

19 P4/S3
29 P9/S6
12 P7/S3
21 P4/S5 [highlight]+17.5[/highlight]

BET P4/S3 [highlight](2U)[/highlight]

6  P6/S4
13 P6/S6
11 P8/S2
2  P4/S6 [highlight]+40.5[/highlight] ,<<Close enough to put bets down to 1U

BET P6/S6 [highlight](1U)[/highlight]

34 P6/S3 [highlight]+65.5[/highlight]
32 P4/S1
31 P9/S2
4  P4/S4

bet S4

0
18 P9/S5
5  P5/S1
19 P4/S3 [highlight]+41.5[/highlight]

NO BET

34 P6/S3
1  P5/S5
13 P6/S6
17 P6/S2

BET  P6 [highlight](2U)[/highlight]

35 P7/S4
22 P9/S4
5  P5/S1
11 P8/S2 -6.5

BET S4 [highlight](3U)[/highlight]

9  P9/S3
12 P7/S3
32 P4/S1
22 P9/S4 [highlight]+29.5[/highlight]

BET P9/S3 [highlight](4U)[/highlight]

2  P4/S6
28 P7/S2
33 P5/S4
13 P6/S6 -212.5

BET S6 [highlight](5U)[/highlight]

7  P7/S1
24 P5/S2
22 P9/S4
35 P7/S4 -332.5

BET P7/S4 [highlight](6U)[/highlight]

7  P7/S1 -176.5
1  P5/S5
15 P4/S2
30 P8/S3

NO BET

21 P4/S5
6  P6/S6
29 P9/S6
5  P5/S1

BET S6 [highlight](7U)[/highlight]

20 P5/S6 [highlight]+33.5[/highlight]
14 P9/S1
6  P6/S4
4  P4/S4
[/table]


[chart]0,15,27,41,17,40,65,41,-6,29,-212,-332,-176,33[/chart]                                                                             


[chart]0,201,408,504,613,720,819,954,1043,1077[/chart]

Spins 436

Bets 193

[Rquest09]

This is better 

[table=,]
START
0
13 P6/S6
2  P4/S4
2  P4/S6

BET P4/S6

14 P9/S1
9  P9/S3
23 P8/S5
21 P4/S5 [highlight]+11.5[/highlight]

BET P9/S5

2  P4/S6
18 P9/S5 [highlight]+25.5[/highlight]
23 P8/S5
26 P7/S6

BET S5/S6

34 P6/S3
21 P4/S5 [highlight]+37.5[/highlight]
30 P8/S3
13 P6/S6

BET S3

8  P8/S4
26 P7/S6
27 P6/S5
35 P7/S4 [highlight]+13.5[/highlight]

BET P7/S4 [highlight](2U)[/highlight]

34 P6/S3
6  P6/S4 [highlight]+41.5[/highlight]
11 p8/s2
34 p6/s3

bet p6/s3 [highlight](1U)[/highlight]

0
13 P6/S6 [highlight]+55.5[/highlight]
29 P9/S6
27 P6/S5
[/table]


[chart]0,11,25,37,13,41,55[/chart]                                                                             


[chart]0,201,408,504,613,720,819,954,1043,1077,1132[/chart]

Spins 464

Bets 208

[Rquest09]

Anyone have any idea's??

I really dont like progression even though its always recovered from a BIG drawdown, so will stop testing this way and go over what i did to see if there is a safer way and will continue if i cant find one. guess the lack of interest means this is another one of my shit ideas lol

Was worth a try,

Rquest

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hey Rquest09.
Just checked out this thread.
No idea is a shit idea....only ideas.
You carry on thinking out loud.
Its all good
TSK

[Tucktuckster]

Anyone have any idea's??

I really dont like progression even though its always recovered from a BIG drawdown, so will stop testing this way and go over what I did to see if there is a safer way and will continue if I cant find one. guess the lack of interest means this is another one of my shit ideas lol

Was worth a try,

Rquest

If you dislike progressions - why risk so much.

play 1u and if it loses, stay on 1u. Most sessions you win without progression.

When you go into a progression to 2u and pull it back - most times flat bet would recover in 2 wins.

Maybe after every 3 loss, then go to 2u.

so if you play 11 numbers 4 times and lose you are -44. then again = -44. Okay so you are -88 but this is less than with the 2u. with that you would be -132 and risking -132 on the next. that loses and you are -264. I dont like that for 3 loss since things happen in streaks.

I would rather 3 loss = -132. Then go to 2u. 3u after 3 losses again.

a win on spin 1 at 2u would be say 50u and you are -82. based on the big progression you would be 4u and you win +100u or -164.

say you do the same again (keep 11 numbers for sake of easy example). 50u means -32. betting 5u = 125+ or -41.

so there isnt that much in it. With the steep progression you have big drawdowns. with the slower progression - you get lower blood pressure.

i would flat bet the 4 spins. Why put the progression in. if a loss the -44 will take as long or as short. to recover as the -60 odd.

the next go wins first time and you are -19 vs -10 (assuming 25 win with 1u and 50 win with 2u).

So after 1 win you are still slightly down.

This makes it a lot slower - but i suspect that after 30 trials and you have been down, you might as well go get a coffee if you can get out close to breakeven since it isnt a good session. On a good session after 30 spins you are +50 at least.

[Rquest09]

If you dislike progressions - why risk so much.

play 1u and if it loses, stay on 1u. Most sessions you win without progression.

When you go into a progression to 2u and pull it back - most times flat bet would recover in 2 wins.

Maybe after every 3 loss, then go to 2u.

so if you play 11 numbers 4 times and lose you are -44. then again = -44. Okay so you are -88 but this is less than with the 2u. with that you would be -132 and risking -132 on the next. that loses and you are -264. I dont like that for 3 loss since things happen in streaks.

I would rather 3 loss = -132. Then go to 2u. 3u after 3 losses again.

a win on spin 1 at 2u would be say 50u and you are -82. based on the big progression you would be 4u and you win +100u or -164.

say you do the same again (keep 11 numbers for sake of easy example). 50u means -32. betting 5u = 125+ or -41.

so there isnt that much in it. With the steep progression you have big drawdowns. with the slower progression - you get lower blood pressure.

I would flat bet the 4 spins. Why put the progression in. if a loss the -44 will take as long or as short. to recover as the -60 odd.

the next go wins first time and you are -19 vs -10 (assuming 25 win with 1u and 50 win with 2u).

So after 1 win you are still slightly down.

This makes it a lot slower - but I suspect that after 30 trials and you have been down, you might as well go get a coffee if you can get out close to breakeven since it isnt a good session. On a good session after 30 spins you are +50 at least.

Wise words Tucktuckster, your right! Guess i was trying to hard to make it win and now looking back the wins far out weigh the losses so keep it flat.

Thanks 

[xman1970]

I hope you stick with it Rquest09, results are good so far......


All IMO you need to know is the Wins n losses, IF after 10,000 bets the W/L's are higher than the expected hit rate your on to a winner.....

The progression & money management can then be decided accordingly......


I for one hope you continue.....


Good luck.....

[TwoCatSam]

Quoting Sam....

Absolutely great work!  I have saved the whole thread to disk.

There is much interest in what you are doing!  Please continue doing it.

I have saved it again.....

Sam

[Rquest09]

I hope you stick with it Rquest09, results are good so far......


All IMO you need to know is the Wins n losses, IF after 10,000 bets the W/L's are higher than the expected hit rate your on to a winner.....

The progression & money management can then be decided accordingly......


I for one hope you continue.....


Good luck.....

Thanks, just needs coding and sure its easy to do..  10,000 bets I'd be here a age way I'm goin  

Think I found something better, its looking good so far and its flat bet, will post that later and if any coders are about would be a job worth doing  

[TwoCatSam]

Non-coders need love, too!   

[Rquest09]

Quoting Sam....

Absolutely great work!  I have saved the whole thread to disk.

There is much interest in what you are doing!  Please continue doing it.

I have saved it again.....

Sam

Thanks,I will continue 

[xman1970]

Think I found something better, its looking good so far and its flat bet, will post that later

Ok, good luck with that as well &nbsp;


Please remember you had nearly done 500 spins with the "old" way, that is barely dipping your toe in the water...

& results were good.....

IF things get tough maybe this thread will help you....


nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/don%27t-give-up/

[xman1970]

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