Re: Visual Tracking

[WannaWin]

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Bias roulette wheel.
Hardly exists today. In brief, it is a defect wheel – e.g. a wheel with a loose edge giving a weaker bounce so that the number or a surrounding number have a higher probability than the 1:37. Possible edge: 1-5%

Dealers Signature.
Some dealers have a signature i.e. a fairly monotonous length of throw. For example: the ball is released as zero is passing under the dealer's hand landing on no. 5. That's approx. 18 numbers from point of throw. To be possible the dealer must rotate the wheel in the same way every time and throw in the same manner over and over. Utopia? No, but not as easy as described.

Visuel tracking.
As opposed to the dealer's signature, adding a number of spins in physical categories, you try to pin point each spin's physical nature: The speed of the ball and rotor, the fall zone, the rotor's position when the ball falls etc. One could say that with the dealer's signature you fish using net and with visual tracking you harpoon.

In the following, I will explore advantage play with roulette.

My own experience in London 1988

Working in the UK I visited The Sportsman and some Grovenor clubs on a daily basis. The casinos in the UK are privately owned clubs. I played "Guetting progression" back then. A work colleague (JK) introduced me to dealer's signature – back then known as "sector shooting". That's a croupier hitting a chosen sector. I laughed out so loud or rather ROFLMAO. JK suggested that I went with him to a place in Camden to see for myself. So I went, wanting to see the idiot claiming he could do it. I walked into a tastefully decorated apartment in one of the nicer areas of Camden – tasteful, if you think an 85 cm wheel is style. "Kenny" who owned the place was former croupier, but couldn't find work anymore in any of the clubs in London. We chatted, drank beer and JK suggested that Kenny showed me his ability as shooter. After 20 spins he had struck the zero sector + 4 neighbors on each side 12 times and just outside + zero 3 times. Scary! – as I played black/red I was safe, because despite his abilities he couldn't predict the color and the odds were still 50/50 – all he could influence was the sector. I asked him how he did it? He replied that it's quite simple. All it takes is learning to spins the same each time.

1. You learn to turn the rotor at a certain speed spin after spin after spin without using the ball.
2.   You tilt the wheel a little so that it is not 100% horizontal – 1-2 mm is enough. The ball then begins to fall off in the same place on the wheel hitting the same diamonds every time.
3. You learn to throw the ball so each throw has the same circulation load. You start at the bottom with 4-5 circulations. Once you master it, you gradually increase until you have achieved the required casino's circulation number.
4. You then combine rotor speed and ball circulation. Including the tilt you achieve a rotor that has turned the exact same amount of times at the time of the throw. With the tilt, the ball will fall on the same side of the wheel hitting the same diamonds. The ball will still jump around in the wheel, but you achieve a sector with a higher probability.

With today's wheels and the fast Huxley wheels where you achieve more than 25 circulations, I doubt that a sector shooter can hit exact. To achieve a dealer's signature is small as well, as it only requires a tiny difference in rotor speed before the speed is multiplied so many times due to the 25 circulations meaning that the rotor will have a completely different position than intended.
17 years back the wheels had big and deep pockets and the croupier could only do 12-15 circulations unless he shot the ball with an AK 47 ?

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WannaWin

[J.Daniels]

More about roulette wheel tracking

In The Eudaemonic Pie book "The Newtonian Casino" Chapter 9 entitled "Lady Luck" is the following: 'Yet another croupier offered the Eudaemons an elegant demonstration of what gamblers call the dealer's "signature."'

An explanation is then given of how dealer signature can be achieved and exploited! This is pure fiction. There is not the slightest proof that even one dealer has ever been able to throw a signature. No research has been done, no data exist, nor is there a method to gather data. Although there is not one scientist who has any evidence of dealer signature none condemned or disputed the claims in this book. On the contrary, it is embraced as an authoritative work. Dr Ed Thorp, despite his disbelief in dealer signature, checked the manuscript and gave the book a big wrap.

The account now moves from theory to practice. The player, Norman, gave the dealer chip tokes to bet at his discretion. The dealer always placed the tokes on number '17'. When asked why, the dealer said, 'Because if I do everything just right, I can actually hit '17'. He added, 'I flip the ball in this nice regular way when the zero is lined up in front of me, and I swear I can hit '17' with better-than-average odds.'

Player Doyne Farmer, with no data to justify his action, and only the dealer's word that he could, and would, do as he said, placed additional bets on '17' and won God knows how much. One would think they would have to have won many thousands of dollars if it was to convince him of the dealer's signature and so be worthy of mentioning in the book. Doyne gave not a shred of proof that he applied any statistical tests to check out any dealers for signature. Let us assume he did apply 'stats' tests. How many spins would he need to get a statistically significant result to conclude a dealer had a signature. At least a 1000. Presumably, the dealer only lined up zero when a Eudaemon placed a toke on '17'. But how often did they place a toke? Surely not every spin or the casino pit-bosses would have woken up and objected. Let's say every 5th spin. That's 5000 total spins needed from this dealer on this wheel. The total time to acquire those spins would take nearly a month of continuous play, and that's assuming he always operated this wheel. How many other dealers did they check out? Just how much did these side issues interfere with and degrade and distort the data for the prediction theory they were primarily researching?

The book tells of "That night we all went away happy." It doesn't say how much they all won that night, but it might be interesting to speculate. At about 40 spins per hour for a shift that's about 300 spins. Assume the dealer attempted his signature about every 5th spin that means 60 bets. Only two hits of '17' were needed to show a profit but how many hits were actually thrown to convince them that the dealer was throwing a signature and was not just being lucky.

Why did this supposedly clever dealer only ever use the one throw, always lining up '0' to hit '17'. There are 38 such pairs using the identical throw that this dealer could choose from. Surely he would have learned to throw any pair at will. Alternative throws seems a sensible idea as they would help conceal his skill from his casino bosses who would object to him spinning winners for players and some for himself. It might be thought that he used '0' only because it was easy to identify, but why did he never line up the more obvious '00' and shoot for '18'. This is on the opposite side of the wheel but all it needs is the identical throw. (Check it yourself). Surely he would have discovered that. Also, the 17/18 split would make a nice alternative bet for either throw.

But even if '17' did come up above average there are reasons other than dealer signature that could be the cause. Let's say the wheel itself was biased enough to cause '17' to come up more frequently than by random chance. For all we know it might have dropped into '17' regardless of what the dealer lined up for his throw merely because '17' trapped the ball because of some fault. Did Doyne Farmer do a 'stats' test to check the wheel for bias? No. Did he or any of the team question anything about their methodology? No! They have assumed that the dealer is the only possible cause for the excess '17s', which is appallingly unscientific.

It makes one really wonder how much of their win the Eudaemonic Pie players should have attributed to (a) their prediction theory, (b) how much of it to the dubious dealers' signatures and (c) how much to the wheels that were very likely biased but were never checked. Despite a plethora of words in the book, there is no breakdown of the actual causes for their win. It might be that the prediction theory component actually lost and their net win, assuming they did win, was attributable to biased wheels only. They offer nothing to the contrary. The book contains no data, no spins, no formulae, no statistics, no results, no dollars won, no proofs, nor anything to justify their conclusions. Has anyone questioned it since? No! It has been swallowed hook, line and sinker!


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[Kelly]

Damn, I wrote that article so long ago I almost forgot about it. I wrote it in Danish though and I can see it has been run through a translation web page. The translation really sucks 

JK is a guy known as Johnny Kromka, NOT the guy that sometimes used to post as Izaks board, but a guy that were a member of team called the Brit Boys. VB players of gods mercy.  They were that good.  When i first met JK, he was in the construction business. But i gotta say, THAT came to an end.

If JK reads here, which I doubt, please drop me a mail. JK is of course not his real name, but they`ll/he`ll know.

[ryan08]

An explanation is then given of how dealer signature can be achieved and exploited! This is pure fiction. There is not the slightest proof that even one dealer has ever been able to throw a signature. No research has been done, no data exist, nor is there a method to gather data.

shorty plays dealer signature so it does exist

[ryan08]

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